stavros222":255szvxl said:Maybe a really stupid question, but here goes anyway! How well do these work (this design not these exact cantis)? The reason I ask is I'm using Grafton on one bike, and Machine Tech on another. And when I come back to my Shimano LX even, they seem to work better than the trick stuff! And they're easier to set up! Just wondered if these are any different as I really fancy these. Are the moon units included?