Mystery Viner

[Jesper]

@fullbasement Did you check the steerer tube for reinforcement ridges? That and a 27.2 or 27.0 seat post are pretty good indicators of a full "SL" or "SP" frame. I would assume if a true Pro model that it would not be a mixed tube set so the steerer is a good way to verify it to that degree.

 

[daccordimark]

I was reading this morning that at one time Daccordi made frames for Viner.

 

[Jesper]

I was reading this morning that at one time Daccordi made frames for Viner.

I know they built "Bertoni" badged frames for export to USA (Lawlee). Where did you read about the Viner-Daccordi connection? I would like to amend my notes with a reference since I had not heard of Viner using Daccordi before, but it would not surprise me at all. If true, then I have a Lusa badged frame with the same BB as a Viner "Stella" Pro model excepting different drainholes. If Daccordi has that same design on some of their frames then that would add another clue to who did what.

 

[daccordimark]

I know they built "Bertoni" badged frames for export to USA (Lawlee). Where did you read about the Viner-Daccordi connection? I would like to amend my notes with a reference since I had not heard of Viner using Daccordi before, but it would not surprise me at all. If true, then I have a Lusa badged frame with the same BB as a Viner "Stella" Pro model excepting different drainholes. If Daccordi has that same design on some of their frames then that would add another clue to who did what.

It was on Daccordi's Facebook feed - https://www.facebook.com/daccordicycles
If you don't have access to Facebook here is the original text translated into English. A later comment says they didn't produce all Viner frames but a good part of them.

In 1937, Giuseppe Daccordi opened a small workshop with a simple but powerful dream: to build perfect frames.
No logo, no signature. Only quality, passion and expert hands.
For decades, his bikes have traveled under other names: Gipel, Viner, Zapel... even some vintage Colnago actually carry the beating heart of the Daccordi workshop.
It was a time when those who knew how to do it, built for everyone.
Only later, with Joseph's son, that dream took on a name and a face: Daccordi, our family brand.
But even today, inside every frame that comes out of our laboratories, there’s that ancient idea: to do things right. Even if no one sees it.
Have you ever found out that your heart bike was built by someone else?

On their website their timeline says they also made frames for the following in the 60s at the same time as they produced for Viner - Gipel, Iacopini, Morini, Nieri, and Zapier.

 

[Jesper]

Couple other versions of a "Stella" Pro:
My rusty frame I am hoping will not be shot; free of cost because rust damage. Previous owner's photos; but I can dig out the frame if necessary. It has s on seat & lower head lugs, crown top & sides, BB cut-out; but nothing on stay ends (fluted) or top head lug. Camp F&R d-o's w/portacatena drop-out, Columbus "SL" frame & reinforced steerer, c.'78-'80.

The other model is a Special Pro per its decals (not my frame or photos). s are on seat, top & bottom head lugs, crown top & sides; but nothing on stay ends (extra long pointed flute), and a slotted BB. Frame c. mid '70s.

 

[Jesper]

@daccordimark Thanks for the info. I guess what needs to be known is what years they built for specific company brands. 1960s is stated, but did they stop by the 70s. The Colnago reference is interesting. I'd be very curious to know when they did that since Colnago used Volta in the 60s to c. early 70s for actual Colnago branded frames. So it is not known if Daccordi built contract frames for Colnago that did and/or did not carry the Colnago frame (c-o lugs, BB, etc.) branding (excluding decals i.e. "Sport" model). Rauler built "unmarked" frames (possibly Colner) for Colnago, but I have no idea what they were branded as (not sure if Rauler produced any Colners, or any stock Colnagos also since no names were provided by Reclus Gozzi in his write-up of the company history).

Taking note of your user name; do you have any Daccordis built in the 60s thru 80s? I would be curious to look at their BB shells for comparison to bikes/frames I have that were built during that era. I have not, to my knowledge, had a Daccordi frame whether originally badged as a Daccordi, built for another marque or for small shops to brand with their business name.

More convoluted cycling history and mystery.