Had a billy belter when i was a kid, do owt i wanted with it...was gutted when they got popular and sterioded out of thier bollox, once had a cup of tea with olde Nuttall and a chat about the blue paul spanish dog not at all unrelated to the initial dog in this thread....right thru to original pits...northumberland pits before the yanks had ever dreamt of suppor caring them up (american pit bull bla/bla). The same Northumberland pit/type being brought down to service a terrier mix in wigan...specially line bred by a pair of butcher broother fanciers who then took the off-sprog to finally be registed for type and when asked what it's type was called in a staffordshire bull (and) Terrier....simply cause thats where it was registered geographically on that day, it could of easilly have been a wign bull and terrier....some of this line went into a now extinct type over in cheshire and went by the name Cheshire white. It's an half intresting story but the mix is only top of the shop for havin a read and write underground (pit) for coin, there are too many other better things to do with an animal to keep me intrrest in them but i must agree on thier stupendous human handling characteristics from birth. Mine once woke me up in the early morning and navigated me into another bedroom to discover a family member fitting...he was a good honest dog him. Staff basically put with a beddi and a dalmation type will just about get you a white english, get the staff mongrellised gene's and you've got a coloured bull...the white types were encouraged (coin wud folla) cause vagabond brindle staffordshires at crufts wwith the queen swanning about were a no-no. Sorry to gas....make a nice steady animal out of a staff x'd with a whippet.