Modern standards - I need updating!

[2manyoranges]

A disc brakes can apply a lot more braking force than a rim brake.
This in turn applies more force at the crown race.

You don't live where I live, for sure.
Struggling to control speed on a long, greasy and narrow 20% gradient, and hearing the wear on your 30 year old shamals,

and that's just to get to the pub!

Give me disc brakes or give me death.
Literally!

I've got a lot of rim braked bikes, but I wouldn't use them on these similar conditions, lacking the space to avoid cars, pedestrians and deer.

that's exactly the real world I live in too

Apart from off road riding (enduro and DH) I've had much need for urgent braking whilst commuting on my lovely COTIC RoadRats - due to the action of others. 'Rim brakes dry quickly and then they work as well as disc brakes...' er ... ten miles in pouring rain, then out comes a car from a junction without looking, rim brake would be

PANIC....drying drying drying,,.BANG...THUNK

Disc brakes are

PANIC...braking...braking,,,STOP....SWEARING

 

[bikeworkshop]

that's exactly the real world I live in too

Apart from off road riding (enduro and DH) I've had much need for urgent braking whilst commuting on my lovely COTIC RoadRats - due to the action of others. 'Rim brakes dry quickly and then they work as well as disc brakes...' er ... ten miles in pouring rain, then out comes a car from a junction without looking, rim brake would be

PANIC....drying drying drying,,.BANG...THUNK

Disc brakes are

PANIC...braking...braking,,,STOP....SWEARING

I'm happy to take up anyone's
"rim brakes are better" challenge.
Gentle, touring braking they are indeed the same.

It's the high speed emergency stop that is radically different.

 

[foz]

I don't need disc brakes and have plenty of rim brake parts, so am sticking with them. I have been riding the 00's Time Edge I got a year and a half ago, and it's a great bike but it's not as nice to ride as my 2006 pinarello paris carbon. But I don't think I'm as comfortable on either of them as I could or should be - 50 year old me is definitely not the same as 30 year old me was! So i am planning on a bike fit, and then I'll see. But supposing that leads me the way of a new frame, then I would like rim brake, mechanical everything, as wide as possible with the tyres, threaded BB, etc... I like the look of the ritchey road logic, standert triebwork, condor Italia, cinelli Nemo, etc. Also contemplating waltly titanium custom from China...

 

[Tootyred]

Spa titanium tourer? Last you out! Has cantilever bosses, 68mm bb, qr dropouts.....and old skool standards for everything else.

I've been considering this question a lot recently, as my skeleton increasingly refuses to play ball with its owner. Most of my old bikes suited me 20 to 30 to 40 (gulp) years ago. Im not that person physically or mentally ( thank god).

when i bought my last new top $ bike it had all the latest kit...xt m732, tange prestige frame, norba geometry, mavic 23mm rims...ooooh suits you sir!

But now, im saying i want to buy a new bike with old tech? .

No...hang on, thats not right. So my new bike ( and its coming soon as im increasingly uncomfortable on most of my old steeds) will have discs, thru axle, 700c wide tyres, a heavy steel frame (because light steel is now banned for some reason).

To say, " i dont need discs" is in one way absolutely true..i neither travel fast enough or down hill enough to need them. But... I also dont actually need a sofa..i could sit on the floor.

Plus...tbh...the range of bikes ( unless custom) will be cut from lots to a few...and probably not an exciting or nice few.

 

[Takingabreak]

I don't need disc brakes and have plenty of rim brake parts, so am sticking with them. I have been riding the 00's Time Edge I got a year and a half ago, and it's a great bike but it's not as nice to ride as my 2006 pinarello paris carbon. But I don't think I'm as comfortable on either of them as I could or should be - 50 year old me is definitely not the same as 30 year old me was! So i am planning on a bike fit, and then I'll see. But supposing that leads me the way of a new frame, then I would like rim brake, mechanical everything, as wide as possible with the tyres, threaded BB, etc... I like the look of the ritchey road logic, standert triebwork, condor Italia, cinelli Nemo, etc. Also contemplating waltly titanium custom from China...

you are almost describing the frame I've just bought from Spa Cycles, 38mm tyres with mudguards, so presumably bigger without guards, threaded bb etc. With rim brakes I think you can't go bigger than about 32c on dual pivots, anything bigger needs cantis or v brakes unless you get an old frame designed for 27" wheels and fit 700c with extra long reach dual pivots (EDIT - which was my plan B if Spa couldn't source a sabbath silk route - I was going to get a Bates B.A.R. frame modernised a bit and fit 700c wheels with max'd out tyres and extra long reach brakes)

 

[foz]

30mm tyres will be plenty for me! And I am definitely looking for a road frame, possibly more on the endurance side rather than full on pro racing position, no mudguard eyelets, rack bosses, etc.

 

[Takingabreak]

30mm tyres will be plenty for me! And I am definitely looking for a road frame, possibly more on the endurance side rather than full on pro racing position, no mudguard eyelets, rack bosses, etc.

I'm not sure that spec exists. Up to 28mm without eyelets is readily available but once above 28mm tyres everything seems to have touring braze ons or be built for disc brakes.

 

[Takingabreak]

if you can drop down to 28c tyres then the frame I'm about to replace with the Silk Route could be just the ticket.

The Lynskey Peloton

https://road.cc/content/news/82008-lynskey-release-three-£999-us-built-titanium-frames

EDIT - Not that I'm trying to sell it, it will be boxed up until I'm sure I won't change my mind because these things don't seem worth much these days

 

[paton]

Danny van Poppel demonstrating the braking power of rim brakes a few years ago

Video: Van Poppel pulls off nuts save in Tour Suisse bunch sprint - Sticky Bottle https://share.google/zWB5CJYVZGtfUU5om