Mali, Not Good News

[RobMac]

I really hope we can keep this thread civil and keep our thoughts and prayers with those affected by all the atrocities going on in this world.

I hope so to

 

[technodup]

If only it were so simple .....

I'm not saying it's simple, I have no real objection to bombing their strongholds to smithereens but surely we need local support, and we'd get more of that if we weren't killing innocents along with the scum.

 

[k-rod]

Perhaps the prognostications in the bible really are coming true, after all.

 

[Bats]

If they all lived in a town, great. Flatten it! But they don't. All the time they can put out their evil message across the world, they will. What is needed firstly I believe, is some sort of regulation regarding the broadcasters (Youtube?) making their videos accessible to the World.
Surely their posts can be monitored before making them publically accessible.
Don't allow them air time to poison others

Nah. Imagine if every single post on this forum had to be approved before it went up. There'd have to be a team of maybe say, 20 people at any one time just to keep up with the workload. Now imagine instead of posts, it's videos that could be anywhere from thirty seconds to three hours, and they've got to watch the entire thing just in case there's a beheading slipped in somewhere. Now imagine instead of a hundred or so forum regulars it's a hundred million youtube regulars.

Fight the ocean and you will drown.

 

[Mike Muz]

If they all lived in a town, great. Flatten it! But they don't. All the time they can put out their evil message across the world, they will. What is needed firstly I believe, is some sort of regulation regarding the broadcasters (Youtube?) making their videos accessible to the World.
Surely their posts can be monitored before making them publically accessible.
Don't allow them air time to poison others

Nah. Imagine if every single post on this forum had to be approved before it went up. There'd have to be a team of maybe say, 20 people at any one time just to keep up with the workload. Now imagine instead of posts, it's videos that could be anywhere from thirty seconds to three hours, and they've got to watch the entire thing just in case there's a beheading slipped in somewhere. Now imagine instead of a hundred or so forum regulars it's a hundred million youtube regulars.

Fight the ocean and you will drown.

Well we do have Moderators that can delete things on here.

What would you do?
We need to nip this in the bud, so to speak, before more people are brain-washed, and even more people are killed

 

[stewlewis]

Re:

Servers, computer programs etc do all the monitoring of internet traffic, audio video content, phone calls, texts.....

Not people working shifts.

And, they can do it fast, building links and 'intelligence gathering'

Mods on here ban tit pics, typing isis bomb president will cause a computer to wake up, hit record, scan this post and anything linked to it. In seconds....

Citizen Four told us.

 

[videojetman]

Re: Re:

Servers, computer programs etc do all the monitoring of internet traffic, audio video content, phone calls, texts.....

Not people working shifts.

And, they can do it fast, building links and 'intelligence gathering'

Mods on here ban tit pics, typing isis bomb president will cause a computer to wake up, hit record, scan this post and anything linked to it. In seconds....

Citizen Four told us.

i just had this mad thought, some of what you have wrote in your post might have retrobike being watched now.

 

[stewlewis]

Re:

Probably yeah.
There will be a black op agent smith alerted by the computer showing links from RB nerds. He'll get funding from the NSA of 25grand to complete a feasability study on the weaponisation possibilities of a Suntour Accushift 7 Thumbie....

Watch your backs folks.

 

[Bats]

Re: Re:

Servers, computer programs etc do all the monitoring of internet traffic, audio video content, phone calls, texts.....

Not people working shifts.

And, they can do it fast, building links and 'intelligence gathering'

Mods on here ban tit pics, typing isis bomb president will cause a computer to wake up, hit record, scan this post and anything linked to it. In seconds....

Citizen Four told us.

Except it doesn't actually work. They've been trying to filter out copyrighted content from youtube for years. They managed a simple system where a database of thousands of songs was compared to every video, and if it matched, that video was muted.

Then people figured out if you slightly sped the speed up or down it'd fool the system into thinking it was something else - but a human wouldn't even notice.

Then they had to deal with films. Again, database of every popular film, compare every upload, block the matches. People started flipping the video over left to right, and the system couldn't do anything. Eventually they added a check for that - doubling the time it took - and people responded by slightly tinting the colours.

There was enough cat and mouse games like this that eventually they gave up and said "if you find your stuff pirated on here, email us and we'll take it down".

That's the sort of problem you face even when you're just telling the computer to compare two objects [songs, pictures, etc] side by side and tell you if they're identical. What exactly do you do when there is no reference object, or if you want it to pick out things that aren't identical, but sort of similar?

They've been working on getting computers to read a person's handwriting for 50 years now, and it still doesn't work all that well. We almost have driverless cars finished, but road signs all use one font, road markings are all standardized, and the other cars in traffic all share very easily recognizable traits. And still, we're told "not quite ready for release yet".

Even if you fed it a picture of a beheading, and said "computer, this is a beheading", it wouldn't recognize a photo of a different beheading, or even the same one from a different angle.

You'd have to come up with a system to recognize, well, basically anything that can show up in a picture, all those millions of things. And then you'd have to teach it about how those objects interact. And then you'd have to come up with a vigorous, air tight definition of an unacceptable level of violence. And then, finally, you have to teach it how to recognize that from the first two things.

And you want this from the same technology that gets people excited because a robot can sometimes walk up the stairs without falling over? No chance.

Even the NSA's big scary server farm is mostly useless. It's a glorified tape recorder. Having a personal copy of everything anyone has ever said ever is no use if you don't know where to look in the first place. They have crucial evidence on probably millions of crimes, but without anyone telling them there was one, they don't know to search for it. Just like how there's an office with copies of all of our birth certificates in it, but nobody working there knows who you are until you walk up and talk to them.

 

[unit3]

Re: Re:

Servers, computer programs etc do all the monitoring of internet traffic, audio video content, phone calls, texts.....

Not people working shifts.

And, they can do it fast, building links and 'intelligence gathering'

Mods on here ban tit pics, typing isis bomb president will cause a computer to wake up, hit record, scan this post and anything linked to it. In seconds....

Citizen Four told us.

Except it doesn't actually work. They've been trying to filter out copyrighted content from youtube for years. They managed a simple system where a database of thousands of songs was compared to every video, and if it matched, that video was muted.

Then people figured out if you slightly sped the speed up or down it'd fool the system into thinking it was something else - but a human wouldn't even notice.

Then they had to deal with films. Again, database of every popular film, compare every upload, block the matches. People started flipping the video over left to right, and the system couldn't do anything. Eventually they added a check for that - doubling the time it took - and people responded by slightly tinting the colours.

There was enough cat and mouse games like this that eventually they gave up and said "if you find your stuff pirated on here, email us and we'll take it down".

That's the sort of problem you face even when you're just telling the computer to compare two objects [songs, pictures, etc] side by side and tell you if they're identical. What exactly do you do when there is no reference object, or if you want it to pick out things that aren't identical, but sort of similar?

They've been working on getting computers to read a person's handwriting for 50 years now, and it still doesn't work all that well. We almost have driverless cars finished, but road signs all use one font, road markings are all standardized, and the other cars in traffic all share very easily recognizable traits. And still, we're told "not quite ready for release yet".

Even if you fed it a picture of a beheading, and said "computer, this is a beheading", it wouldn't recognize a photo of a different beheading, or even the same one from a different angle.

You'd have to come up with a system to recognize, well, basically anything that can show up in a picture, all those millions of things. And then you'd have to teach it about how those objects interact. And then you'd have to come up with a vigorous, air tight definition of an unacceptable level of violence. And then, finally, you have to teach it how to recognize that from the first two things.

And you want this from the same technology that gets people excited because a robot can sometimes walk up the stairs without falling over? No chance.

Even the NSA's big scary server farm is mostly useless. It's a glorified tape recorder. Having a personal copy of everything anyone has ever said ever is no use if you don't know where to look in the first place. They have crucial evidence on probably millions of crimes, but without anyone telling them there was one, they don't know to search for it. Just like how there's an office with copies of all of our birth certificates in it, but nobody working there knows who you are until you walk up and talk to them.

Yes it does work.