Kids of today just don't get it...

Thing is, ergonomically, unless you have hands like spades, thumbshifters are awful. The lever is NEVER in the right place for quick, easy hands-on-bar shifting
 
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Really??

I find them totally instinctive.

I guess it depends on your overall stance on a bike, and perhaps how long you have been using them.
 
on and off for the better part of half my life. Commuted every day for a year on them up til last November.
 
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mattr":i4xiqy7l said:
highlandsflyer":i4xiqy7l said:
I find them totally instinctive.
That's habit, not ergonomics.
To be totally pedantic, an instinctive response ain't habit. Habit implies acquired, and instinct isn't acquired, by definition (well unless you're stretching genetics to imply acquired).

Although I get your point, a certain degree of conditioning is implied.

Personally, I see situations where I find them preferable, and also situations (and in fairness, the use case has been modified, somewhat, over the years where mountain biking is concerned). When I first rode mountain bikes, it was with thumbies. And there is something very simplistic and easy to use about them - in fact, in winter, and gloved up, I'd probably find them easier to operate - a nudge with part of your hand, for the right shifter, for example - point being, you don't always have to have your fingers properly extended to be able to nudge a thumbie (and for once, that ain't a euphemism...)

Yes, underbar rapidfire (or STI as they were first marketed as) does have your hand placement more optimal - and with the rigeurs of the changing face of mountain biking, and perhaps more rough and bouncyness, then perhaps that's a boon.

Often, though, the ergonomic argument is overplayed, not everybody is doing that day-in, day-out to that full extent. Commuting, more light duties, means making the argument based purely on ergonomic hand placement can be flattering to deceive, and ignores other factors.
 
If rapidfire is so ergonomic and thus perfectly placed for your hands then why do I hate the stupid things. Basically ergonomic stuff should be infinitely adjustable to the many variations of customers hand sizes etc. Rapidfires are designed for Joe Averages hands whover the hell he is and thus are only ergonomic for him. Thumbies are not ergonomic either so it all comes down to personal preference. I like thumbies especially in friction mode, they work for me, rapidfires are sh*** for me personally but fandabbydozy for others.
 
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Thumbies for me. They can always be trusted to get you home. Nothing more annoying than STI failure way out in the boonies.
 
I'm a bit of a component slut, I like both - and truth be told, have never had much issues with either - the only shifters I can't get along with is gripshift.

I found rapidfire plus from the mid 90s (only ever heavily used LX ones, although had some STX ones and have some XT ones) to be more prone to the playing up thing, where they get gummed up and the lower lever doesn't do anything, until you've managed to un-gunge them. I've never had the same problem with the earlier push-push rapidfire shifters - but then I've only ever used DX and XT ones, so I've no notion of how the more plasticky, piano-type ones stood up.
 
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