Joblot of 4 vintage frames: Ciöcc, Dawes, Carlton, Claud Butler (Newcastle-under-Lyme)

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Is that really a Ciocc? Reynolds 653 and mudguard eyes, no pantographing...
Doesn't look like it. Fork looks like its for a nutted brake bolt, not recessed allen bolt. No downtube lever bosses either. 653 was introduced in 1986. Can't remember Ciocc using 653 either. They built with Columbus mostly.
 
Doesn't look like it.
Confirms my suspicion. I've seen Italian frames in Reynolds but rarely so (Legnano the last I saw). If there's doubt it's a Ciocc then there's may equally be doubt it's 653. £120 for all 4 then starts to look at lot less of a bargain given the state of the market.
 
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