Joblot of 4 vintage frames: Ciöcc, Dawes, Carlton, Claud Butler (Newcastle-under-Lyme)

[otherself]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/28662108...gYbzjhNO8LbgqqhtJmOObsjLY=|tkp:Bk9SR5KSnYC6Zg

 

[vtwinvince]

D'oh, wish that was local.

 

[LondonClassic]

Is that really a Ciocc? Reynolds 653 and mudguard eyes, no pantographing...

 

[otherself]

Is that really a Ciocc? Reynolds 653 and mudguard eyes, no pantographing...

Doesn't look like it. Fork looks like its for a nutted brake bolt, not recessed allen bolt. No downtube lever bosses either. 653 was introduced in 1986. Can't remember Ciocc using 653 either. They built with Columbus mostly.

 

[otherself]

Be interesting to know what Dawes model/year that is. Has serial on dropout.... looks like CS8691.

 

[LondonClassic]

Doesn't look like it.

Confirms my suspicion. I've seen Italian frames in Reynolds but rarely so (Legnano the last I saw). If there's doubt it's a Ciocc then there's may equally be doubt it's 653. £120 for all 4 then starts to look at lot less of a bargain given the state of the market.

 

[otherself]

Pale yellow Dawes is an 'Emblem' model from the 50's. Kromo tubing (Accles & Pollock).