It's kicking off in London...

[JohnH]

Yeah, I wonder how many of the UK's blue collar workers doing 50 hours a week to keep a roof over their heads are going to sympathise with the predicament of these students after seeing the pictures coming out of London.

I don't think that these fee increases even apply to students of maths and science. So if these upstarts had taken a course that was going to actually contribute to this society (and no, media studies doesn't count), then they wouldn't be moaning about high fees.

And as for the police not doing much? Well, that's probably because coppers are fed up with being accused of violating rioter's human rights... :x

 

[silverclaws]

Ah, so if you do the political compass test on another thread, I know one of the answers you will put, as you have demonstrated here that maths, science and business are more important than the arts and entertainment.

We need both in equal measures to cater for all in society not just the select few who have a brain that enjoys those subjects.

Lerft brain thinking or right brain thinking I wonder.

But as to the demonstration by students and lecturers it has allready been stated that the demonstration was infiltrated by a hard core of political activists intent of violence and damage to property.

Rent a mob again, I wonder if they are just recreational miscreants, any excuse for a scrap or they are something other, for it always seems rent a mob turns up and turns what might have been peaceful into a disaster as we are seeing now.

If I were a cop, I would grab them who have hidden their features, for it is obvious they have something to hide.

 

[JohnH]

Ah, so if you do the political compass test on another thread, I know one of the answers you will put, as you have demonstrated here that maths, science and business are more important than the arts and entertainment.

Silverclaws, I did do that test! I came out as a centre-ground Libertarian -- whatever that means.... :roll: And yes, as an engineering graduate, I would put "Creating innovations and products that can be manufactured to make our country prosperous" ahead of "Cutting a sheep in half and dunking it in formaldehyde". But that's just silly old me!

We need both in equal measures to cater for all in society not just the select few who have a brain that enjoys those subjects.

You might be interested to learn that every year, this country produces 15,000 psychology graduates, but only 3,000 physics graduates.

No wonder we're in the shit. :roll:

 

[mattbrown]

middle-aged left-wingers are in fact conservatives who can't admit it.

 

[zigzag]

middle-aged left-wingers are in fact conservatives who can't admit it.

Quoth Churchill:

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

That'll explain the light-headedness then

 

[sgw]

Good to see that not all todays youngsters are as apathetic and self obsessed as they are sometimes portrayed. The young with their enthusiasm and new ideas have long been at the forefront of demands for progressive change and resistance to regressive policies. After 20yrs of Thatchers children glued to games machines, they have at last woken up again.

Not just in their own interests either. The charges they are protesting are not likely to affect them directly.

Salute comrades!

 

[silverclaws]

Ah, so if you do the political compass test on another thread, I know one of the answers you will put, as you have demonstrated here that maths, science and business are more important than the arts and entertainment.

Silverclaws, I did do that test! I came out as a centre-ground Libertarian -- whatever that means.... :roll: And yes, as an engineering graduate, I would put "Creating innovations and products that can be manufactured to make our country prosperous" ahead of "Cutting a sheep in half and dunking it in formaldehyde". But that's just silly old me!

We need both in equal measures to cater for all in society not just the select few who have a brain that enjoys those subjects.

You might be interested to learn that every year, this country produces 15,000 psychology graduates, but only 3,000 physics graduates.

No wonder we're in the shit. :roll:

Personally I was in engineering, twenty years of it, civil engineering as a site engineer cutting tunnels, and Aircraft engineering in the armed forces and with that qualified, but I have turned my back on engineering as engineering is dying in Britain. I now pursue the arts side of my being where I am learning I can make more money as an artist blacksmith than I can working in engineering. At the end of he day, it all comes down to income, no point have qualifications up the yinyang if all that study does not equal a satisfactory pay packet. I know engineering graduates working in Tescos as cashiers, bit of a waste don't you think.

Mind, the following report suggests the arts are contributing to the UK economy, and it is a sector that has growth ;

http://www.artscampaign.org.uk/inde...ontribution-to-the-economy-uk-wide&Itemid=152

But the government has cut the funding of the arts, so I wonder what will happen now.

 

[ajm]

Enthusiasm (usually misplaced), maybe (and that's very useful, if well directed.) New ideas? Garbage. Young people have for too many decades been encouraged to voice their "opinions" when in fact they have no idea at all what real life is actually like; they are too young to have formed useful opinions and generally just regurgitate whatever the currently fashionable philosophical trend is.

They'd be better listening and learning from those who have actually grown up and experienced life for themselves and avoiding the same pitfalls.

Before anyone starts I'm not even all _that_ old! (though it has been a decade since I graduated - with a proper, hard-work Engineering degree I hasten to add.) Just old enough to have had most of my youthful opinions turned 180 degrees...

 

[sgw]

Enthusiasm (usually misplaced), maybe (and that's very useful, if well directed.) New ideas? Garbage. Young people have for too many decades been encouraged to voice their "opinions" when in fact they have no idea at all what real life is actually like; they are too young to have formed useful opinions and generally just regurgitate whatever the currently fashionable philosophical trend is.

Being educated to degree level, I am sure you are already aware that similar ageist dismisal could eaqualy be directed at your own opinions.

 

[silverclaws]

But did you listen to the oldies when you were young, or did you like so many of the young believe the old fuddy duddies were past it

It is the ill of mankind that we never learn from other's mistakes and so we keep on repeating the same ole' same ole' pattern.

The young have to listen to the old and the old have to listen to the young for both groups have truth in their words.