How much is a frame respray?
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Bear-Chan":2m3x9ed9 said:i LOVE rody's paintjobs - they look like fantastic quality and they always make me smile.
Yes, whoever did the work, I think we can take it that is Rody's inspired design flair on show there!
John, I think they use some electrostatic-type process to make the colour changes for those effects, rather than physical masking.
Hey guys,
The powder above is actually a combinaiton of powder base and masked airbrushed powder in liquid alcohol base.
And yes, it was VERY expensive (700 US). I just wanted something that really popped to use for marketing...it did it's job
The unspoken secrete about paint is this...you get what you pay for. Expensive paint is so for a reason; quality of finish, intricate masking and graphics, and protection of the base material.
Liquid paint is far superior to powder in this last respect as until recently, there has not been a quality primer powder of micron thickness that protected the base metal. I do not know of a single "big" manufacturer that uses a primer layer under their powder. Without it, rust WILL form underneath the powder layer. You should see some of the mess I've discovered when refinishing frames :shock:
A liquid primer and finish system may not be as durable on the exterior against chips/scratches, but it cannot be surpassed for protecting your rides structure.
One thing I plan for my blog is a detailed exam of both the liquid process and an indepth tour of my buddies powder facility and exactly what goes into it...very soon.
cheers,
rody
The powder above is actually a combinaiton of powder base and masked airbrushed powder in liquid alcohol base.
And yes, it was VERY expensive (700 US). I just wanted something that really popped to use for marketing...it did it's job
The unspoken secrete about paint is this...you get what you pay for. Expensive paint is so for a reason; quality of finish, intricate masking and graphics, and protection of the base material.
Liquid paint is far superior to powder in this last respect as until recently, there has not been a quality primer powder of micron thickness that protected the base metal. I do not know of a single "big" manufacturer that uses a primer layer under their powder. Without it, rust WILL form underneath the powder layer. You should see some of the mess I've discovered when refinishing frames :shock:
A liquid primer and finish system may not be as durable on the exterior against chips/scratches, but it cannot be surpassed for protecting your rides structure.
One thing I plan for my blog is a detailed exam of both the liquid process and an indepth tour of my buddies powder facility and exactly what goes into it...very soon.
cheers,
rody
I had my Cannondale MTB frame/forks done from red to white back in 2006 from Agros, they did a brilliant job on it but noticed it's not very durable as one time I was adjusting the seatpost and dropped an allen key near the bottom bracket which result a huge chuck of paint come off which it was disappointing.
Last month I bought a 91 Kona Lavadome which need a respray job, took it Argos for a quote which it was too much to spend on an old frame, so I thought I try powder coating and see what it is like, they charged me £30 for sand blast and powder coat, it was an excellent job, not as good as Argos but it's alot more stronger and durable finish, I was happy with it and took another old frame and they made a mess of it with too much paint and bubbles on it, I took it back for them to do it again, I got to pick it up this week and I am hoping it will be ok.
I want to have my Cannondale done soon again (cant get on with the white colour) and want it back to orginal colour of red, I will be using powder coating on that bike but with a different company.
If you want an excellent minty and showroom frame, go for Argos but if you want a strong finish or dont want to spend too much on it then go for powder coating, your finish will depended on the powder coating sprayer, if he is good then you will have a good finish, if he is bad then well you know.....
Last month I bought a 91 Kona Lavadome which need a respray job, took it Argos for a quote which it was too much to spend on an old frame, so I thought I try powder coating and see what it is like, they charged me £30 for sand blast and powder coat, it was an excellent job, not as good as Argos but it's alot more stronger and durable finish, I was happy with it and took another old frame and they made a mess of it with too much paint and bubbles on it, I took it back for them to do it again, I got to pick it up this week and I am hoping it will be ok.
I want to have my Cannondale done soon again (cant get on with the white colour) and want it back to orginal colour of red, I will be using powder coating on that bike but with a different company.
If you want an excellent minty and showroom frame, go for Argos but if you want a strong finish or dont want to spend too much on it then go for powder coating, your finish will depended on the powder coating sprayer, if he is good then you will have a good finish, if he is bad then well you know.....
Gump,
The short answer is yes.
The bit longer answer is yes, but the base coat of powder needs to be prepped and you have to run a little heavier reducer in the graphics coat to burn into the substrate.
If not prepped properly, you'll get some clouding between the layers, most often seen underneath the clear after a bit (sometimes days, sometimes months).
Powder has really come a long way. I had my powdercoater submit some of our products to testing in Dupon's lab...the frame was coated in primer, color, and clear to a total thickness of 1.2 millimeters and then was immersed in 80% brine solution. The testing went over 3400 hours with no breech in the integrity of the powder layer...they stopped the testing as they needed the tanks for other customers. The new product formulas are really bomber when used as a complete system. Additionally, an increasing number of really cool colors and effects are available.
I'll still spray liquid as there are so many effects that can not be duplicated in powder, but for the majority of the resprays with simple color schemes, you can do a bomber job for a complete powder system for about 150 bucks. With a quart of House of Kolor paint costing 120, it's easy to see the positives for everybody.
cheers,
rody
The short answer is yes.
The bit longer answer is yes, but the base coat of powder needs to be prepped and you have to run a little heavier reducer in the graphics coat to burn into the substrate.
If not prepped properly, you'll get some clouding between the layers, most often seen underneath the clear after a bit (sometimes days, sometimes months).
Powder has really come a long way. I had my powdercoater submit some of our products to testing in Dupon's lab...the frame was coated in primer, color, and clear to a total thickness of 1.2 millimeters and then was immersed in 80% brine solution. The testing went over 3400 hours with no breech in the integrity of the powder layer...they stopped the testing as they needed the tanks for other customers. The new product formulas are really bomber when used as a complete system. Additionally, an increasing number of really cool colors and effects are available.
I'll still spray liquid as there are so many effects that can not be duplicated in powder, but for the majority of the resprays with simple color schemes, you can do a bomber job for a complete powder system for about 150 bucks. With a quart of House of Kolor paint costing 120, it's easy to see the positives for everybody.
cheers,
rody
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