Help! Judy XC Internal Issue

[Anthony]

If all else fails and I do need to look for a new fork I'm so far assuming that, it would need to be 80mm or less travel so not to upset the geometry of the bike, (or would 100mm be ok)? definitely needs v-brake mounts, and I'm assuming a 1 1/8 steerer tube for the Zaskar?

Regular readers on this website must find my advice about geometry resembles a stuck record and is useful only as a substitute for sleeping tablets.

Nevertheless, the Zaskar will have been designed for a 63mm fork, so an 80mm fork being longer would reduce the head angle and thus make the handling dead/less lively. A 100mm fork, being longer still, would deaden the handling down even more. But all is not lost, because a shorter stem will make the handling more lively, so you can dial in a shorter stem to compensate for a longer fork. Say you have a 120 stem at present, try a 105 with an 80mm form. Or an 85/90 with a 100mm fork. It isn't an exact compensation, but it's not far out.

Either 80 or 100 will work, but without wanting to state the obvious, it depends how much travel you want/need. And how much you want to shorten the riding position, and how much more upright you want your posture to be. Everybody likes travel, but you can have too much of it as far as forwards momentum is concerned, and you would probably find a modern fork so much better than a Judy that 80mm would seem to be all you need.

That's what I would try for starters anyway. But every reason to try to fix the Judy, as you could then use it to part-fund a purchase.

 

[bruno_h2]

Yeah, me too have some issues with proper install of the wings springs & damper kit... So I give up to install them and replace all the original internals (mcu stacks & cartridge) because the real cause is to have an relatively modern fork system with the externals of an old fork... Shame the Arlo Englund air cartridges is not available anymore...

 

[Nem]

Right, cleaned the damper unit out completely and it's basically in mint condition still. I've managed to refill it and get it all back together without any problems.

I've removed all of the Wings kit from the forks, cleaned everything out including the dummy leg from the other side of the fork. Re-greased everything and put the original damper unit and the old Speed Springs back in and closed it all up.

Result is perfect working fork again It's still occasionally bottoming out but not as much as it used to so I think the cartridge rebuild has helped quite a lot. I'm going to keep my eyes out for a different set of hard weight springs which I think will sort it out completely but for now I'm more than happy.

I'm going to go through ebay to get a refund on the Wings kit and the hard springs I bought from there which don't fit correctly.

Nick

 

[FluffyChicken]

Excellent news (well apart from the having to refund and send stuff beck to US)

What colour are the wings springs btw ?

 

[Nem]

The wings ones are a two piece spring with a spacer in the middle, lower half green and the top half grey. These were bought as extra hard ones.

The set which came with the damper unit which were meant to be hard setting were lower half red and top grey.

 

[FluffyChicken]

?
ah sorry, I meant the Speed Springs colour
my fault

 

[FluffyChicken]

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[FluffyChicken]

The wings ones are a two piece spring with a spacer in the middle, lower half green and the top half grey. These were bought as extra hard ones.

The set which came with the damper unit which were meant to be hard setting were lower half red and top grey.

Though I will pick up on this, the dual spring sets are the Manitou springs.
Wings springs are a single spring for the Judy. Not sure if Mr_Wings are the same as the old one's but according to his site it still is a single spring for a leg ? Even the damper unit one

Yellow for damper and red for none damper side (on the damper kit) is what the website says for over 220lb

 

[Nem]

Very interesting indeed. So it seems as if I've actually been sent the wrong parts on both orders, firstly on the hard spring set and then the damper kit.

Have attached a pic of the hard wings springs I received first.

The Speed Springs are coated red.

 

[FluffyChicken]

I wouldn't be surprised if the springs are the same as 'Speed' according to their info used the same SpeedSprings for Manitou and Rockshox of this era The 7" long ones

Here is Wings website, but not the video, probably the same one you mentioned above and I'm sure MY Wings springs (whoever bought them when) are a silver one and 6" long and use the white spacer. Though not a damper kit, just the springs
(If anyone knows where I can get the 1" spacer from?)
http://wings-suspension.com/

Then go to the manitou and your style of spring is there.

I assume Red for "Speed" springs is Medium, I had the Yellow which seemed harder but they're in a friends fork now. Their website didn't mention the colours, just the ratings and which forks what used.


Anyway, whatever you got 'Wings' is suppose to have a
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