Falkland Islands

An Open Letter to Adolfo Pérez Esquivel, Mairead Corrigan Maguire, Rigoberta Menchu Tum, Desmond Tutu, Jody Williams, Shirin Ebadi and Leymah Gbowee.

I am writing with regard to your and colleagues’ letter to David Cameron, dated 28th March 2012, in which you call for the UK Government to open negotiations with Argentina over sovereignty of our home and people.

It is deeply disappointing that, as someone who has been recognised and celebrated as a champion of human rights, you appear to have overlooked the rights of the people most affected by this issue, the Falkland Islanders themselves.

Your letter focuses on United Nations Resolution 2065 (XX) of 16 December 1965, which calls on Argentina and Britain to seek a peaceful solution to the Falklands issue within the framework of UN Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960. However, your letter omits mention of Argentina’s far from peaceful attempt to force a solution in 1982, when they illegally invaded our home, resulting in the deaths of nearly 1000 people. Your letter also omits mention of the first two sections of Resolution 1514 (XV), which read as follows:

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of World peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

This is important on two fronts – firstly, our fundamental right to self-determination, as enshrined in the UN Charter and referenced in Resolution 1514, is what we have exercised in choosing to retain our relationship with Britain as an Overseas Territory. We are not subjugated by Britain: we are entirely self-governing, except for defence and foreign affairs. We democratically elect our Legislative Assembly Members; they are chosen by the people of the Falkland Islands to represent them and to determine and administer our own policies and legislation. Secondly, as a community whose ancestry, history and cultural identity has been linked to Britain for nearly 200 years, we would consider any control by Argentina as alien, and therefore a denial of our rights as a people.

Whilst the Argentine Government’s calls for negotiations with the UK may seem benign, and a rational way to end any dispute, it should be noted that the Argentine Constitution as amended in 1994 allows for nothing but full Argentine sovereignty over our home. As a result, there can be no negotiation on this issue, as Argentina already has a predetermined outcome in mind – this is no basis for discussion. As far as we are concerned, sovereignty is not up for discussion. On all other fronts, we want nothing more than to have a relationship of cooperation for mutual benefit, with Argentina and all of our neighbours. Argentina were working towards a relationship of cooperation in the 1990s, and we entered into Joint Statements in 1990, 1995 and 1999 to co-operate in a number of areas, including hydrocarbons exploration, sustainable management of fish stocks and transportation links. However, cooperation has proved impossible in recent years. Despite the Falkland Islands upholding its side of the agreements, Argentina has unilaterally withdrawn from almost every element.

More recent Argentine actions – such as attempts to ban our ships from entering South American ports, Decree 256 which seeks to restrict innocent passage of vessels transiting to and from the Falkland Islands, the banning of charter flights in support of our tourism industry, laws taking sanctions against companies involved in peaceful commerce in both countries – all point to a desire by Argentina to frustrate our international trade and an attempt to isolate us. We live under constant threat and harassment from Argentina, and are currently experiencing its attempts at an economic blockade. We would ask that our rights, our points of view, and above all our wishes are respected and considered as enshrined in the UN Charter.

The Falkland Islanders are a peaceful, hard-working and resilient people. Our society is thriving and forward-looking. All we ask is to be left in peace to choose our own future, and responsibly develop our home for our children and generations to come. We would strongly encourage you to come and visit our home, and to see for yourself our community and our heritage born of nine generations before supporting negotiations that do not take account of our right of self-determination, thus helping Argentina to justify its politically and economically aggressive actions against our home and people. We would be happy to host you at a time of your convenience and arrange a programme to enable you to meet our people and explore our Islands.

Yours sincerely,

Sharon Halford MLA

On behalf of the Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands

you see who got there first, who has a more legitimate historical claim, who is closer , they are tit for tat, they negate each other and in doing so they all really fall by the wayside . The right of Self Determination , recognised in international law and the UN charter itself, trumps all of these as does the human rights of the islanders. regardless of their political and economic motives of the british government this is the postion they support. Britain have also adhered to this consistantly hence the independence of those former colonies that wished for it. Argentina say that they are not indiginous people so they cant have the right of self determination, which is again an argument that does not hold water. Many of the former colonies are made up of non indiginous people, yet they still had the right to choose.
Argentina dont want to talk reasonably, they want sole soveriegnty of the islands and will not entertain any thing less. Argentinia dont really have a case at all truth be told. Argentinians themselves are getting pretty fed up with it and are asking why dont we just leave them alone if they dont want to be part of Argentina.

but then its nothing to fall out over really :wink:
 
Breaking it down, the Russians lost the most, so if anyone claims the prize...

Do we really care what the Falklanders think?

At the end of the day the issue is bigger. We don't care about the colonials in Africa, so why the Falklands?

Whatever is in the interest of the UK should be paramount.

Were the Argentinians to pose a serious threat of a round two, there would have to be some long hard thinking about negotiations.

Why not pre emptively negotiate a concord?

Quite fancy living there myself, if Argentina was involved, but it is a weeeee bit isolated. If I had the right as a Falklander, I might well go and live in Argentina proper.
 
highlandsflyer":2b8q5tus said:
Breaking it down, the Russians lost the most, so if anyone claims the prize...

I thought in terms of population the serbs lost the most, but i might be wrong. That didn't stop us from invading their country and letting kosovo create a country out of nothing.
 
The only claim Argentina has to the island is that it is closer to Argentina - which doesn't really mean squat. It's been almost 180 years. When they did fight over the land they got their asses kicked. What does Argentina not understand about the Falklands being a British Territory?

What about the Inca who lived in Argentina and had their land stolen from them? If the UK has to give up the Falklands then Argentinians have to give up Argentina and move to the Falklands (or whatever they want to call it). If they don't agree with that then they are hypocrites and should be ignored.

The Palestinians have a similarly hollow claim to land. Usually it is the same group of folks supporting each cause trying to rewrite the history books and redraw the boundaries. These people constantly prop up victims and whine about injustices that don't exist. It seems some want to go thru the history books and selectively pick and choose which Empire will pay a price for acts centuries ago. You can be sure they won't go after poor nations. This is nothing more than an attempt to redistribute British wealth probably being peddled more by global elite than the people of Argentina.
 
Most of this story is media fed jingoism continually fuelled for no other reason than it keeps papers selling and every story..no matter how truthfull..helps

The broad generlisations is something we all do no matter what country.

Apart from the argie govt or at least a few crackpots at the top and the neo facists I would suggest most argies are like us in that they hate goverments stirring this up time after time and and just want to remember 1982 as a reason to never go down that path again on both sides.

As I said before, at the momment the argie goverment are trying the facebook approach in that publicise false and continual lies hoping someone will be daft enough to listen..in truth it's nothing more than a childlike game of poker.

This game gets stopped the minute the islanders vote ..why stop? because when a democratic vote takes place there is little anyone will do or can do to change it other than invasion and despite Kirchner's rants..not even she wants to go down the armed conflict invasion attempt again.

So the vote will happen..argies whilst still publicly decrying brits on an island... will behind doors be making deals and the oil will help both sides

The next significant annivesary in political terms will the 35 year one...I see a totally different landscape by that time
 
Groundoggy":24tu7kdr said:
The Palestinians have a similarly hollow claim to land. Usually it is the same group of folks supporting each cause trying to rewrite the history books and redraw the boundaries. These people constantly prop up victims and whine about injustices that don't exist.

The irony.
 
they never brag about how women are mistreated on some of the country's involved. Its just about having a cause a join a group to stand out for some reason. Once this one is gone the pursue another one. Its so obvious it stinks.

oops I was out! damnnnn :/
 
sylus":3eep0lpp said:
So the vote will happen..argies whilst still publicly decrying brits on an island... will behind doors be making deals and the oil will help both sides

The next significant annivesary in political terms will the 35 year one...I see a totally different landscape by that time

That's the hope. I don't think anyone wants more bloodshed over a rocky outcrop a thousand miles away.
 
yap, at the moment and since the end of the cold war and unfreeze of the security council, the expansion of globalization and multilateralism, other ways of negotiating through diplomacy, agreements of economic and partnership instruments, the general interdependence and soft power, makes the use of force more unlikely. But even if it is used, it will be in a more smart approach than it was 30 years ago.
 
1duck":14748dk3 said:
red_riviera":14748dk3 said:
1duck":14748dk3 said:
Signal11th":14748dk3 said:
Christ mate you talk some shit, Argentina has never had a valid claim, They invaded last time and lost, maybe you and few of your 5th column buddies can go and help out with the next "democratic" election they have in Argentina.

Which bit of argentina being closer to the falklands is shit exactly?

Irrelevant twaddle.

Argentina itself does not make a claim on this basis.

And if it were international law and taken to it's only logical conclusion, that would mean every nation has to transfer sovereignty to its bigger neighbour. That would make the whole world Russian.

No infact it makes the claim on the fact that britain STOLE the islands in 1833

So why bring up the proximity argument?

Tomorrow if the chinese stick a flag in some outlying uninhabited islands and populate them, will you be claiming those islands are british?

I really don't understand your point here. Please explain, because it reads like irrelevant gibberish.

The British were the first to claim the uninhabited islands in 1690 and have never renounced that claim. That was over 100 years before Argentina was formed.

WE and international lawyers can talk it round all we like, but like anything, possession is 9/10ths of the law and history is written by the winners. The Falklands have been settled almost as long as Argentina has been in existence and they are not going anywhere. I've spent a year in the Falklands, never met one who wanted be Argentinian.

And frankly it's nothing to do with you, me, Britain, or Argentina. Let's see how their self-determination vote goes, maybe you will respect their democratic decision.

And for those people criticising former and current governments for doing something 'popular'... sorry to burst your bubbles, but the reason it is popular was that most people know it is RIGHT and JUST. To do otherwise would be weakness and people do not tolerate that in their leaders.
 
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