F1 cheating

Hearing lots of F1 gossip today. New teams Manor, Campos and USF1 are probably unlikely to get on the grid. Manor have no money, Campos have no car and USF1 have only just got a factory. Would not be suprised if there are only 16 cars on the grid next year
 
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lewis1641":30gvzq9o said:
Grannygrinder":30gvzq9o said:
Perhaps thats the plan, to help Ferrari to win next year :D

:lol:

FIA

Ferrari International Assistanse or something isnt it?

just give them all the same car. And then that over rated red car will win all the time. Sorry they already do and call it A1 :lol: :lol:
 
Piquet Jr's statement sounds pretty convincing to me that Renault F1 mgmt orchestrated the whole thing.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090910/F1/909109989

Eleven days ahead of the FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting that will decide whether former Renault Formula One driver Nelson Piquet Jr. crashed deliberately during the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, the legal statement that he submitted to the FIA on July 30 was leaked to a public Web site, F1SA.com. The site does not reveal its source, but the dossier has been sent to members of the WMSC.

The full statement:

"I, Nelson Angelo Piquet, born July 25, 1985, in Heidelberg, Germany, say as follows:

"1. Except as otherwise stated, the facts and statements contained in this statement are based on facts and matters within my knowledge. I believe such facts and statements contained in this statement to be true and correct. Where any facts or statements are not within my own knowledge, they are true to the best of my knowledge and belief and, where appropriate, I indicate the source of that knowledge and belief.

"2. I make this statement voluntarily to the FIA and for the purposes of allowing the FIA to exercise its supervisory and regulatory functions with regard to the FIA Formula One World Championship.

"3. I am aware that there is a duty upon all participants in the FIA Formula One World Championship and all Super License holders to ensure the fairness and legitimacy of the championship and I am aware that serious consequences could follow if I were to provide the FIA with any false or misleading statement.

"4. I understand that my complete statement has been recorded on audio tape and that a full transcript of my audio recording will be made available to me and the FIA. The present document constitutes a summary of the main points made during my full oral statement.

"5. I wish to bring the following facts to the FIA's attention.

"6. During the Formula One Grand Prix of Singapore, held on Sept. 28, 2008 and counting towards the 2008 FIA Formula One World Championship, I was asked by Mr. Flavio Briatore, who is both my manager and the team principal of the ING Renault F1 Team, and by Mr. Pat Symonds, the technical director of the Renault F1 Team, to deliberately crash my car in order to positively influence the performance of the ING Renault F1 Team at the event in question. I agreed to this proposal and caused my car to hit a wall and crash during lap 13/14 of the race.

"7. The proposal to deliberately cause an accident was made to me shortly before the race took place, when I was summoned by Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds in Mr. Briatore's office. Mr. Symonds, in the presence of Mr. Briatore, asked me if I would be willing to sacrifice my race for the team by 'causing a safety car.' Every F1 race driver knows that the safety car is deployed on a track when there is an accident which leads to the track being blocked either by debris or a stationary car, and where it is difficult to recover a damaged car, as was the case here.

"8. At the time of this conversation I was in a very fragile and emotional state of mind. This state of mind was brought about by intense stress due to the fact that Mr. Briatore had refused to inform me of whether or not my driver's contract would be renewed for the next racing year (2009), as is customarily the case in the middle of the year (around July or August). Instead, Mr. Briatore repeatedly requested me to sign an 'option,' which meant that I was not allowed to negotiate with any other teams in the meantime. He would repeatedly put pressure on me to prolong the option I had signed, and would regularly summon me into his office to discuss these renewals, even on racing days--a moment which should be a moment of concentration and relaxation before the race. This stress was accentuated by the fact that during the Formula One Grand Prix of Singapore I had qualified sixteenth on the grid, so I was very insecure about my future at the Renault team. When I was asked to crash my car and cause a safety car incident in order to help the team, I accepted because I hoped that it could improve my position within the team at this critical time in the race season. At no point was I told by anyone that by agreeing to cause an incident, I would be guaranteed a renewal of my contract or any other advantage. However, in the context, I thought that it would be helpful in achieving this goal. I therefore agreed to cause the incident.

"9. After the meeting with Mr. Symonds and Mr. Briatore, Mr. Symonds took me aside to a quiet corner and, using a map, pointed me to the exact corner of the track where I should crash. This corner was selected because the specific location of the track did not have any cranes that would allow a damaged car to be swiftly lifted off the track, nor did it have any side entrances to the track, which would allow a Safety Marshal to quickly move the damaged car away from the track. Therefore, it was felt that a crash in this specific position would be nearly certain to cause an obstruction on the track which would thus necessitate the deployment of a safety car in order to allow the track to be cleared and to ensure the safe continuation of the race.

"10. Mr. Symonds also told me which exact lap to cause the incident upon, so that a strategy could be deployed for my teammate Mr. Fernando Alonso to refuel at the pit shortly before the deployment of the safety car, which he indeed did during lap 12. The key to this strategy resided in the fact that the near-knowledge that the safety car would be deployed in lap 13/14 allowed the team to start Mr. Alonso's car with an aggressive fuel strategy using a light car containing enough fuel to arrive at lap 12, but not much more. This would allow Mr. Alonso to overtake as many (heavier) cars as possible, knowing that those cars would have difficulty catching up with him later in the race due to the later deployment of the safety car. This strategy was successful and Mr. Alonso won the 2008 Formula One Grand Prix of Singapore.

"11. During these discussions, no mention was made of any concerns with respect to the security implications of this strategy, either for myself, the public or other drivers. The only comment made in this context was one by Mr. Pat Symonds who warned me to 'be careful,' which I took to mean that I should not injure myself.

"12. I intentionally caused the crash by letting go of control of the car just before the relevant corner. In order to make sure I would cause the incident during the correct lap, I asked my team several times via the radio to confirm the lap number, which I would not normally do. I was not injured during the accident, nor was anyone else.

"13. After the discussions with Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds discussed above, the 'accident strategy' was never discussed again with either of them. Mr. Briatore discreetly said 'thank you' after the end of the race, without mentioning anything further. I do not know if anyone else was aware of this strategy at the start of the race.

"14. After the race I informed Mr. Felipe Vargas, a family friend and advisor, of the fact that the incident had been deliberate. Mr. Vargas further informed my father, Mr. Nelson Piquet, some time later.

"15. After the race several journalists asked questions about the accident and asked me whether I had caused it on purpose, because they felt it was 'suspicious.'

"16. In my own team, the engineer of my car questioned the nature of the incident because he found it unusual, and I replied that I had lost control of the car. I believe that a clever engineer would notice from the car's telemetry that I caused the incident on purpose as I continued accelerating, whereas a 'normal' reaction would be to brake as soon as possible.

"Statement of Truth

"I believe and swear that the facts set out in this statement are true.

"This statement was made at the FIA Headquarters in Paris on July 30, 2009 in presence of Mr. Alan Donnelly (FIA Chairman of the Stewards), Mr. Martin Smith and Mr. Jacob Marsh (both of investigations firm Quest, retained by the FIA to assist with its investigation). Notes were taken by Ms. Domenique Costesec (Sidley Austin LLP).

"Signed:

"Nelson Piquet Jr."
 
Piquet Jr's statement sounds pretty convincing to me that Renault F1 mgmt orchestrated the whole thing.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090910/F1/909109989

Eleven days ahead of the FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting that will decide whether former Renault Formula One driver Nelson Piquet Jr. crashed deliberately during the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, the legal statement that he submitted to the FIA on July 30 was leaked to a public Web site, F1SA.com. The site does not reveal its source, but the dossier has been sent to members of the WMSC.

The full statement:

"I, Nelson Angelo Piquet, born July 25, 1985, in Heidelberg, Germany, say as follows:

"1. Except as otherwise stated, the facts and statements contained in this statement are based on facts and matters within my knowledge. I believe such facts and statements contained in this statement to be true and correct. Where any facts or statements are not within my own knowledge, they are true to the best of my knowledge and belief and, where appropriate, I indicate the source of that knowledge and belief.

"2. I make this statement voluntarily to the FIA and for the purposes of allowing the FIA to exercise its supervisory and regulatory functions with regard to the FIA Formula One World Championship.

"3. I am aware that there is a duty upon all participants in the FIA Formula One World Championship and all Super License holders to ensure the fairness and legitimacy of the championship and I am aware that serious consequences could follow if I were to provide the FIA with any false or misleading statement.

"4. I understand that my complete statement has been recorded on audio tape and that a full transcript of my audio recording will be made available to me and the FIA. The present document constitutes a summary of the main points made during my full oral statement.

"5. I wish to bring the following facts to the FIA's attention.

"6. During the Formula One Grand Prix of Singapore, held on Sept. 28, 2008 and counting towards the 2008 FIA Formula One World Championship, I was asked by Mr. Flavio Briatore, who is both my manager and the team principal of the ING Renault F1 Team, and by Mr. Pat Symonds, the technical director of the Renault F1 Team, to deliberately crash my car in order to positively influence the performance of the ING Renault F1 Team at the event in question. I agreed to this proposal and caused my car to hit a wall and crash during lap 13/14 of the race.

"7. The proposal to deliberately cause an accident was made to me shortly before the race took place, when I was summoned by Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds in Mr. Briatore's office. Mr. Symonds, in the presence of Mr. Briatore, asked me if I would be willing to sacrifice my race for the team by 'causing a safety car.' Every F1 race driver knows that the safety car is deployed on a track when there is an accident which leads to the track being blocked either by debris or a stationary car, and where it is difficult to recover a damaged car, as was the case here.

"8. At the time of this conversation I was in a very fragile and emotional state of mind. This state of mind was brought about by intense stress due to the fact that Mr. Briatore had refused to inform me of whether or not my driver's contract would be renewed for the next racing year (2009), as is customarily the case in the middle of the year (around July or August). Instead, Mr. Briatore repeatedly requested me to sign an 'option,' which meant that I was not allowed to negotiate with any other teams in the meantime. He would repeatedly put pressure on me to prolong the option I had signed, and would regularly summon me into his office to discuss these renewals, even on racing days--a moment which should be a moment of concentration and relaxation before the race. This stress was accentuated by the fact that during the Formula One Grand Prix of Singapore I had qualified sixteenth on the grid, so I was very insecure about my future at the Renault team. When I was asked to crash my car and cause a safety car incident in order to help the team, I accepted because I hoped that it could improve my position within the team at this critical time in the race season. At no point was I told by anyone that by agreeing to cause an incident, I would be guaranteed a renewal of my contract or any other advantage. However, in the context, I thought that it would be helpful in achieving this goal. I therefore agreed to cause the incident.

"9. After the meeting with Mr. Symonds and Mr. Briatore, Mr. Symonds took me aside to a quiet corner and, using a map, pointed me to the exact corner of the track where I should crash. This corner was selected because the specific location of the track did not have any cranes that would allow a damaged car to be swiftly lifted off the track, nor did it have any side entrances to the track, which would allow a Safety Marshal to quickly move the damaged car away from the track. Therefore, it was felt that a crash in this specific position would be nearly certain to cause an obstruction on the track which would thus necessitate the deployment of a safety car in order to allow the track to be cleared and to ensure the safe continuation of the race.

"10. Mr. Symonds also told me which exact lap to cause the incident upon, so that a strategy could be deployed for my teammate Mr. Fernando Alonso to refuel at the pit shortly before the deployment of the safety car, which he indeed did during lap 12. The key to this strategy resided in the fact that the near-knowledge that the safety car would be deployed in lap 13/14 allowed the team to start Mr. Alonso's car with an aggressive fuel strategy using a light car containing enough fuel to arrive at lap 12, but not much more. This would allow Mr. Alonso to overtake as many (heavier) cars as possible, knowing that those cars would have difficulty catching up with him later in the race due to the later deployment of the safety car. This strategy was successful and Mr. Alonso won the 2008 Formula One Grand Prix of Singapore.

"11. During these discussions, no mention was made of any concerns with respect to the security implications of this strategy, either for myself, the public or other drivers. The only comment made in this context was one by Mr. Pat Symonds who warned me to 'be careful,' which I took to mean that I should not injure myself.

"12. I intentionally caused the crash by letting go of control of the car just before the relevant corner. In order to make sure I would cause the incident during the correct lap, I asked my team several times via the radio to confirm the lap number, which I would not normally do. I was not injured during the accident, nor was anyone else.

"13. After the discussions with Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds discussed above, the 'accident strategy' was never discussed again with either of them. Mr. Briatore discreetly said 'thank you' after the end of the race, without mentioning anything further. I do not know if anyone else was aware of this strategy at the start of the race.

"14. After the race I informed Mr. Felipe Vargas, a family friend and advisor, of the fact that the incident had been deliberate. Mr. Vargas further informed my father, Mr. Nelson Piquet, some time later.

"15. After the race several journalists asked questions about the accident and asked me whether I had caused it on purpose, because they felt it was 'suspicious.'

"16. In my own team, the engineer of my car questioned the nature of the incident because he found it unusual, and I replied that I had lost control of the car. I believe that a clever engineer would notice from the car's telemetry that I caused the incident on purpose as I continued accelerating, whereas a 'normal' reaction would be to brake as soon as possible.

"Statement of Truth

"I believe and swear that the facts set out in this statement are true.

"This statement was made at the FIA Headquarters in Paris on July 30, 2009 in presence of Mr. Alan Donnelly (FIA Chairman of the Stewards), Mr. Martin Smith and Mr. Jacob Marsh (both of investigations firm Quest, retained by the FIA to assist with its investigation). Notes were taken by Ms. Domenique Costesec (Sidley Austin LLP).

"Signed:

"Nelson Piquet Jr."
 
Dr S":ul59ymr7 said:
Hearing lots of F1 gossip today. New teams Manor, Campos and USF1 are probably unlikely to get on the grid. Manor have no money, Campos have no car and USF1 have only just got a factory. Would not be suprised if there are only 16 cars on the grid next year

That's bad management by the FIA then for allowing them to have entry to the season?

Surely they should only be allowed if there was sound evidence they would be able to race.
... and these where the best three of the ones wanting to join.

any news that any of the others in reserve could actually compete ?
 
They were three of the worst candidates IMO. USF1 are a joke at best and the other two were always going to struggle for funding. ProDrive have the facilities, funding and deals in place and DR would have done a great job (remember he did well with BAR/ Honda) and AMR hasjust won the Le Mans series with a round to spare. Lola should have got in there too- the car was in a late stage of design and wind tunnel work was well under way- again they have a great track record in all forms of racing going back 50 years, under Martin Biraine they have gone from strength to strength. I know Lola are now looking to an entry in 2011 and the car looks very nice and development is still ongoing. They opened a new assembly building this week and they have some great facilities down there and some really tallented people on board.
Why ProDrive and Lola did not get places is beyond me. I think it's too late now to start offering places at this late stage.
Anyway, big changes at the FIA hopefully in the next few months. Max is going in October and if there is any justice in the world we will have Ari Vatanen at the helm. A fine gentleman in the truest sense; he's hard working and will soon have thing turned around. Propbably too late for the 2010 season though.

Si
 
FluffyChicken":1unyc68m said:
Dr S":1unyc68m said:
Hearing lots of F1 gossip today. New teams Manor, Campos and USF1 are probably unlikely to get on the grid. Manor have no money, Campos have no car and USF1 have only just got a factory. Would not be suprised if there are only 16 cars on the grid next year
That's bad management by the FIA then for allowing them to have entry to the season?
Surely they should only be allowed if there was sound evidence they would be able to race.
... and these where the best three of the ones wanting to join.
any news that any of the others in reserve could actually compete ?
When was FIA's management ever anything other than bad?

In this case, it seems that FIA/Mosley decided that it was essential to get Cosworth back in F1, so although nothing had been said earlier all of the applicants for a place were told at the last minute that unless they undertook to use Cosworth engines they had no chance of getting in. ProDrive were with Mercedes and would obviously have done a better job than any of the Cosworth teams and that was why they were excluded. No doubt they could have sued FIA, but everyone is so resigned to the system being corrupt that nobody dares complain about the corruption.

Jean Todt is Mosley's candidate and Ari Vatanen is the anti-Mosley candidate. Guess who will win?

Bernie Ecclestone screwed Mosley by agreeing that he should be forced to step down. Briatore is Ecclestone's business partner. Guess whether Briatore will be convicted by the FIA WMSC (Mosley)? Although this may just prove me wrong - surely the FIA WMSC wouldn't convict somebody who was guilty?
 
Funny bunch the FIA. Just after their attempt to give Cosworth a leg up they changed the engine technical regs which has put the new Cosworth engine on the back foot. It's too late to redesign for next season. It's going to be a pup.

As an aside- were USF1 not going to use engines supplied by Illmor?
 
Well Flav is leaving renault after accepting responsibility for the cheating last season. Plus their Lead Engineer is off.

Looks like an all round balls up!
 
Renault like all car manufacturers is suffering at the moment .

it would not surprise me if it was end of the team .
 
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