Electronic cigarettes

[NAILTRAIL96]

Smoke or don't smoke, it's of no consequence to me, but with that attitude you're beaten before you've started.

Try exploring your mind instead of poisoning it.

I'm off to educate my poor below average IQ.

 

[dyna-ti]

I failed at the hypnotherapy because of my 'above average' iq

You smoke FFS. Where's your IQ when you need it?

Too busy gaining qualifications
So thats Dyna-Ti RMHI to you Peasants

Guess you're gonna quit at 25 or 30 " before it has chance to harm me" or maybe "with my lifestyle I'll never see 30" perhaps you think " I could get hit by a bus tomorrow" seriously mate get a life and really try quitting, fags are for losers, you can cope without your little white emotional crutches!

and as for "]

I failed at the hypnotherapy because of my 'above average' iq

thats like "60% of the time it works everytime"

Excellent post
:roll:

Perhaps you should actually read things properly.
I understand how it works and because of that it didnt work.

All i wanted was some advice but it seems the trolls are taking over.I couldnt give a rats ass if some are so anti smoking that any smoker even one attempting to quit receives abuse for being a smoker in the first place.


UPDATE -Looking at the replies again im still unsure if thats advice or hassle

 

[rosstheboss]

banned it outright, can't buy it everyone quits and yeah it will be a stressy few days but everyone will get over it and the poor NHS won't be burdened by smokers anymore.

Well it's working well for weed, E and smack...

The actual consequence would be more dangerous black market fags, and higher taxes to plug the £11bn hole in the NHS budget.

Back on topic, I have one of those E-fags and still smoke. I think if I stuck to it it would work, but it gives me a tickly cough and something in my throat swells up making it hard to swallow.

I have to say I'm in the ban them camp - the argument about lost revenue through tax is weak in the long run, as in the last few years more money is being spent to treat smokers than is being received back in tax. If someone invented cigarettes tomorrow would they be legal? No.

I think a lot of the 'ex smoker nazism' may also come from how frustrating it is seeing people slowly killing themselves and knowing how much better you feel when you don't smoke.

 

[dyna-ti]

Thought id add this

 

[Neil]

the argument about lost revenue through tax is weak in the long run, as in the last few years more money is being spent to treat smokers than is being received back in tax.

Are you sure / do you have something to cite, there?

I was always under the impression that the tax revenues gathered more than paid their way (and then some...) but have taken that as read for some time - so willing to be proved wrong?

If someone invented cigarettes tomorrow would they be legal? No.

So there's got to be something to not doing it now. True, it's being marginalised, and perhaps over time, maybe at some point in the distant future it might.

As to the criticisms and slights in this thread, if I was one for emoticons, I'd do the roll-y-eye-one... people do evolve and mature over time - we'd probably not do all the things we did when younger, with hindsight. Now true, some things (like smoking) are addictive and habit forming, and get their foot in the door, when people are still maturing and not looking at everything with a long view.

In addition, there are some highly intelligent adults that smoke - and continue to - because they may well recognise the risk, yet on-balance accept the trade-off. Now you may opine surely that's not intelligent - but then not everybody accepts what most see as an axiom - ie living as long as possible - and not everybody cares that much about looking after their health and body, long term, in context of other aspects of their life they get enjoyment, or some return from.

Now I've written that, not as a smoker, nor reformed smoker. I've never smoked, nor been inclined to even try, I just think there are some rather over-simplistic, and holier-than-thou pious arguments that don't really withstand that much scrutiny.

 

[barry2017]

Back onto the original subject, I thought I would add my advice as someone who used to smoke 50 a day and now doesn't. I just stopped.

It's offered in a friendly, respectful way, and without any judgement on people who still smoke. It's none of my business whether any adult smokes or not; some of my best friends are smokers, and I certainly wouldn't offer unsolicited advice to any of them. So with that out of the way, here's what worked for me.

1. No-one is born a smoker. The nicotine is tricking you into wanting more of it; the urge to have a cigarette shows that you're getting rid of it. And it goes away after a few minutes anyway. Once you start to think of the "cravings" as you beating the trick, it's much easier to rid yourself of them.
2. Everyone who smokes feels a bit stupid, although they may not admit it to themselves. It is a stupid habit, there's no ignoring it. Look at anyone who is smoking a cigarette and thinks they aren't being watched. You can see it on their faces.
3. They don't help you do anything. People say they help them concentrate and relax. How do they help you do two things that are polar opposites? You have control.
And the best bit, which I only found out afterwards
4. Your sex life gets better after you stop. Oh yes.

Once I worked these things out, I saw through it all and didn't want to smoke anymore. There's no need to pacify the "cravings" with nicotine from other sources; just think of them as something you used to think was cool, like the stupid wispy beard you tried to grow when you were sixteen.

Just get on with your life, it's no big deal.

 

[azaro]

Maybe I'm just a cynical old bugger, but with more people giving up (can't smoke in most places these days), has the tax revenue from tobacco now reduced, despite the increase in duty on a packet of cigarettes? (Depends on the price elasticity of demand I guess).

If that is the case, is there a link to the ridiculous rises in fuel duty over the last few years as successive govts attempt to recoup the lost revenue?

 

[silverclaws]

Ah, just to report in, the last few days with the quitting smoking thing have been a bit of a struggle and I now realise why that is, it is because I seem to have drifted off what I had in place post quitting. I have stopped the exercise, stopped eating and my place is a complete stinking hole again, when it was so nice a few weeks back, but I realise, what is my failing, is food. When there is not a lot of cash, it is food that takes the battering, and everything else I am trying to change collapses with it and there I do understand how many get heavier post smoking and how a lot of smokers are not overweight the two are linked and the link is important

Food is linked to smoking and perhaps it is because food is expensive, smoking is the antidote, yet smoking is an expense in itself, but the addiction kills hunger pangs, but the negative of not eating is reduced physical energy and reduced mind stability.

So I can see the only way am going to crack this and improve my life considerably, is get a job and get some money coming in, as food is too expensive and no matter how bad I get, I will not eat the breadcrumb covered shapes in colourful packages.

But the reason I haven't got a job, is because for some reason I don't want to go out, although I know, it is the best thing I can do.

Quitting the smoking has made me more reclusive, as prior to daily I snook out at night to get my fix.


There is much, much more to this quitting smoking than simply a quit smoking aid !

 

[Iwasgoodonce]

Maybe I'm just a cynical old bugger, but with more people giving up (can't smoke in most places these days), has the tax revenue from tobacco now reduced, despite the increase in duty on a packet of cigarettes? (Depends on the price elasticity of demand I guess).

If that is the case, is there a link to the ridiculous rises in fuel duty over the last few years as successive govts attempt to recoup the lost revenue?

Those tax hikes for cars haven't hit yet. The government are going to have to find the shortfall in us buying lower tax band cars from somewhere. It'll be motorists for sure who get hit.

Dyna, I've never smoked at all. I remember my Dad giving up when I was a few years old. He just gave up and never smoked again. I remember there being packets of Polos everywhere, Good luck.

 

[barry2017]

Food is linked to smoking and perhaps it is because food is expensive, smoking is the antidote, yet smoking is an expense in itself, but the addiction kills hunger pangs, but the negative of not eating is reduced physical energy and reduced mind stability.

Food is nothing like smoking. Really. You smoked for a long time before you needed food.

So I can see the only way am going to crack this and improve my life considerably, is get a job and get some money coming in, as food is too expensive and no matter how bad I get, I will not eat the breadcrumb covered shapes in colourful packages.

If that's what you think, so be it. But smoking won't help you go out. You just need to get out of the house and do it.

Which is why even though I'm very heavy and slow, I am going to go for a ride on my new Peugeot. Which I am loving by the way.