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[dbmtb]

I am most disappointed that nobody followed up my Dalek Invasion of Earth disguised as wheelybins posting

But since my ruse to diffuse the argument has failed I would point out that

1) This is not just a british or a particular-town-in-southern-england issue. This kind of discussion takes place in France, Italy, Germany, even politically-correct little Denmark.

2) Making immigration/integration issues into an vote-issue, is bad for politics in general as it distracts from REAL issues. We have this problem in Denmark at the moment with a coalition government that has depended on an anti-immigration party (with no other real agenda) to get its other legislation through and has led to legislation being put in place that is teetering on the edge of being in breach of human rights.

3) The real rotten apples in the "cheap immigrant workforce vs. unemployed nationals debate" are the employers/contractors who, for their own gain, exploit a workforce that is willing to work for less than the legally-determined minimum rate. If fingers should be pointed, it is at these unscrupulous individuals. All over europe. Our own foreign minister was caught today with an unregistered and underpaid polish builder working via a contractor on her house. This is how rotten things are.

 

[greenstiles]

US means people UK permanent residents, black white, pink and green ! once again it's about how many people can fit into one country. And I was stating that i find the BBC news item hard to believe.....not a crime. I'm sure most other people have not belived political figures before now.

Yet now it looks like some of us are being indirectly told it's very wrong to think like this.

I work with a black guy who also says there are too many imigrants coming here in this present climate (not the 1950' -60's now) before anyone starts.

Could you insinuate that he is a racist...........it's not a black and white issue in every sence of the word. There are middle grounds to all arguments..............and i'm quite shocked and sad that many people on here are just running to their extreme side of the argument, that you say this and you can't say that, about imigrants...this to me proves that the over PC group has got to most of us now.

I have an opinion and i've stated it. Nothing wrong in that.

 

[Ernie]

If workers are prepared to migate and work in other countries..there must be an issue for pay and conditions in their own country. In UK we have a benefit society..we must have heard friends or people being interviewed on radio or tv saying..if i work more i get my benefits cut or i get more on the dole...this is where its laughable..really :roll: :roll:

These migrant workers have put themselves out moved country to work. Good for them.If the "idle"..we all see them in there designer gear, drinking, smoking etc were working then there would be no jobs for foreign workers to apply for.

The benefit system needs to be trimmed..please dont get me wrong its there for people who do need help..but some people are just plain lazy and play the system.

I am one of many people/families getting squeezed to pay for the benefits that as country we cannot afford. Really we need to look at taxes and benefits

One of the members here passed comment about sending money back home..i cant see the problem with that what ever your colour or background FAMILY FIRST. I have worked away i dont spend it in that counrty i save it until i get home to enjoy it with my family

I was fortunate back in 2006/2007 to work in Kosovo for the UN. I worked with all countries mostly Europeans and colleagues from USA. Each country has a internal issues with workers from other countires, usually at a local level where local companies take on workers and the locals start to voice there opposition. I was working with a Polish guy who moaned that his counrty had to employ latvian tradesmen because all the polish tradersman were in this country {UK}.

I remember reading an article about 10 years ago in The Mail, this was based in the south east, where local builders would drive around and see were the migrant workers were hanging round, they called it "labour corner" and offer them work, these builders would take them on for a day to day basis..and of course give them a crap daily rate..they worker would think that he was working and contributing. I have seen this type "hiring people" in Kosovo and Georgia..the workers would be at the same time every day with tools ready to go.

This type of issue lies with our last government and Brussels. One comment was made to me by a Spanish officer whilst in Kosovo..he said you brits are lucky..you are an island..one you get access to main land Europe you can go any where because no there are no border controls..that issue lies with Brussels :roll:

To get a better understanding of this i really think that if possible we need input from members like DBMTB{who has already} Stoppi and Magas Austrian contingent{sorry to drag you in lads }.. other members from Germany Finland holland to get the picture EU wide..

I know 2 members from Canada and US have commented which is good

This is a forum which is global..its good to talk

Ernie

 

[gibbleking]

on a lighter note a small press item from a few years ago ...
roughly recalled it said ....a young kosovan who left his war torn country to come and live in yarmouth has had enough and has gone back home because he hated the awful living conditions here...he said that it was much better to live in a bombed out city then put up with living in a miserable crap hole like yarmouth....it did make me giggle....


i live in gorleston which is much nicer ...btw

 

[CAPIN]

Hmmm, I think its hard in a internet forum to keep debate without misunderstandings. you have a few lines of text for commenting on complex issues so it can be easily sidetracked by some minor, unclear point being picked up by somebody else..

I feel some of you wanted to score some perhaps too easy PC points here in this discussion.
In Europe today there are CLEARLY some countries that were/are perhaps too liberal/open in terms of immigration.
UK IS ABSOLUTELLY ONE OF THEM.
there are many different effects and problems it brings. again, its hard to talk about them (without emotions)in the internet forum
, but to suggest nothing is going on is a bit dishonest.

Im commenting as a native Czech who lived in UK in 2005 as an exchange student for one semester.

 

[DM]

You have to bear in mind that EU regulations also enable expats like me to LEAVE the country and work/start up businesses in other EU countries, leaving a job vacancy for someone else at the other end.

Put it this way - if I was looking to scrounge a lifestyle in a EU country, the UK would not be my first port of call.

Just in my little town in Denmark (population 3000) there are 5 british nationals, all of whom are working and paying taxes here.

Exactly.
Migrants who arrive looking for work tend to be hard-working, skilled and multi-lingual - therefore they are an asset to the economy and society.

Those who relocate looking to scrounge off the state would do better in most other European country than in the UK.

It may have escaped your notice, but many other European countries have far better quality of life, landscape, recreation opportunities, quality of ladies , public services, public transport, state education, arts funding... I could go on.

But enjoy your time on Monkey Island. It would be a lot worse without the diversity provided by "migrants" - In my opinion.

 

[Neil]

But enjoy your time on Monkey Island.

Hey!

I resemble that remark.

 

[Ernie]

on a lighter note a small press item from a few years ago ...
roughly recalled it said ....a young kosovan who left his war torn country to come and live in yarmouth has had enough and has gone back home because he hated the awful living conditions here...he said that it was much better to live in a bombed out city then put up with living in a miserable crap hole like yarmouth....it did make me giggle....


i live in gorleston which is much nicer ...btw

yes that is true..some come here and cannot settle to our way of life..i have known of this on one occasion..but that was a female who didnt have her families blessing so she had to go back. Some think that the roads are paved with "gold" not tarmac..thats down to media/Tv/Billboards. The young Kosovan might to have had to work to earn his keep..things being so expensive he might not had choice but to go back

On the other hand depends when it was..UK took some refugees back when conflict was on 1999/2000. Some had the choice to stay some wanted to go back.I met one young Police officer on a check point..we spoke about music/football{common ground language}..he did regret going back. In 2006 {when i was there}each kosovan was entitled to a UN travel document..this was a ""plastic"" passport. They could only travel legally in and around the countries bordering them and i think turkey. Of course they could also travel using the visa system through a sponser.

The young Kosovan you mentioned might of had his "collar felt" by immigration...so to save face "he didnt like the awful living condition"

Ernie

 

[Ernie]

But enjoy your time on Monkey Island.

Hey!

I resemble that remark.

i have heard us called monkey island..little wet island..Mungrols of europe..i took it in good banter

We all have nicknames for other countries..its just banter..i am not offended

Ernie

 

[DM]

i have heard us called monkey island..little wet island..Mungrols of europe..i took it in good banter

We all have nicknames for other countries..its just banter..i am not offended

Ernie

Good - It wasn't intended to offend. I only heard it recently, but it summarized many of my thoughts and memories of Blighty.