Damn otters

[tintin40]

It is mainly the otters cuddly image created by townies.....like foxes as well....oh cuddly mr fox......oh tarka the otter......

I'm from the countryside. I love all animals (except wasps)

 

[marin man]

WASPS :x :twisted: :twisted:

 

[tintin40]

I got my first wasp this summer. Sitting on the train with the T and down the middle of the carriage comes this wasp ignores every one till me and does a 90 degree turn straight for me :shock: But i'm ready for it left hand comes up whacks it down on the floor quickly followed by the left again one dead wasp. Lucky no one was sitting next to me :twisted:
Not bad for a right handed person

 

[marin man]

Karate kid.....bet you can catch flies with your chopsticks

 

[highlandsflyer]

It is mainly the otters cuddly image created by townies.....like foxes as well....oh cuddly mr fox......oh tarka the otter......

In my experience 70% of the problems caused in the countryside like the above are caused by incomers and ignorant townies......they think they can leave the town for the weekend and stick their noses into other peoples business and then go home and feel all righteous......

Again you are at this thing about Townies and Country Folk.

Where exactly do you live?

I was brought up in the Highlands and Islands of Scotland, as well as some time Stateside.

My youth involved hours watching otters in Shetland's waters, and our croft in the Highlands was in an area called A' Bhogsolla, or Todhole, after the fact it had a good population of large foxes.

The people who came into the area and got into hot water for using inhumane practises in dealing with the natural inhabitants of the lands were definitely not country folk, they were folk who had sold up and left the big cities for the 'good life' and were not prepared to accept their ornamental birds and such might fall prey to the established locals.

That otters had already been pushed out of many of the areas of the UK by harsh trapping practises and as a result people have historically not had to consider them when stocking their ornamental lakes leads to questions over what is natural versus what is introduced.

I have no problem with introduced animals being culled and removed wholesale, but if it is our native otter we have to look closely at the circumstances surrounding the problem.

Writing off concern for the animals as a 'Townie' contrivance is not helpful, as well as totally inaccurate.

 

[highlandsflyer]

I got my first wasp this summer. Sitting on the train with the T and down the middle of the carriage comes this wasp ignores every one till me and does a 90 degree turn straight for me :shock: But i'm ready for it left hand comes up whacks it down on the floor quickly followed by the left again one dead wasp. Lucky no one was sitting next to me :twisted:
Not bad for a right handed person

I appreciate they can bee frightening in close quarters but they do a splendid job of controlling pests.

They are beautiful and interesting insects.

 

[cyfa2809]

what pests do they control?

weird things, but theyre here for a reason

 

[marin man]

Well hf...I live in norfolk and am norfolk born and bred as my family have been for close on 600 years.....

I am not speaking of ornamental lakes passe.....rivers also....

And I have already said I have no problem with otters themselves.....They are most welcome in our broadland habitat....

It is the people of whom I have names and some of whom have been arrested and charged for similar offences....that breed otters to unsustainable levels then release them in places where they historically have never been present...These people are incomers from towns....that is a fact that can not be argued with....

I should know about the problems and symptoms of the loss of species in my own habitat......considering I spend most years on the broads fishing etc....and am a member of several fishing clubs and conservation societies.....

When you release an apex predator into an unsuitable environment they will cause problems....it is unarguable..

When I say unsuitable,I mean a two acre lake that is miles from anywhere and has no stream or river run off and is not connected to any other water way.....

I think you will agree....unsuitable and an environment where they were never historically present.....this has happened and happens all the time...they are basically thrown out of some fools car because "there is a lake over there".....it is wrong and unethical......mainly because the otters get ran over when leaving these places after fishing out a lake.....or they starve to death and get persecuted by people who own lakes etc...... :roll:

 

[highlandsflyer]

Well hf...I live in norfolk and am norfolk born and bred as my family have been for close on 600 years.....

Do you live in town or in country?

places where they historically have never been present...These people are incomers from towns....that is a fact that can not be argued with....

Can you explain how you ascertain they have never been present?

Facts that cannot be argued with? Link me to a report of such.

When I say unsuitable,I mean a two acre lake that is miles from anywhere and has no stream or river run off and is not connected to any other water way.....

There are relatively few of these.

I think you will agree....unsuitable and an environment where they were never historically present

Again, what gives you the scoop on history?

 

[marin man]

relatively few fishing lakes in remote areas linked to no other river.....in norfolk....really.....obviously you have not looked into it then....

I live in a market town bordered by countryside.....5 minutes and there are no houses to speak of.....

Otters have not been present in environments where lakes didnt exist until maybe 100 years ago....of course they havent....as there was previously no water.....Ie. gravel pits and marl pits and clay pits railway water pits.....farm lakes and irrigation reservoirs....etc etc...estate lakes the list goes on.....

I am not about to enter a libel battle by naming people who have been prosecuted on an open forum....or giving place names

If you dont believe it happens that is your issue not mine....