Car Scrappage ... a rant.

[Easy_Rider]

Most of the idiots who scrap decent vintage/classic old cars don't realise they can get more than 2k for it if they just sold the thing on the open market!

I know of one very rare original mini that has been traded in, the dealer really doesn't want to scrap it but has no choice and it's worth way more than 2k.

Cars traded in for scrappage need to have road tax and MOT.
The car being traded in goes to a licenced dismantler and is crushed no parts to be removed other than battery fluids etc
It is weighed and a certificate of destruction is issued, END OF.

:shock: :shock: :?:

Perry:- We don't have a proportional representation system, hence we do not vote for a "Prime Minister" (and yes Brown was voted as an MP by his constituants)
We vote for our local MP, who may be a member of a party or maybe not, but the majority party then forms a government and it is up to the majority party to choose a "leader" who we call the "Prime" Minister from all the other ministers.
This notion of the prime minister being the all powerful leader is only a recent affair, it was always the cabinet seen as leading the country.

In our system the Queen is in effect the President. Most countries have a President and Prime minister (France, Russia, Isreal etc etc), with varying degrees of power, except the US who does not have a prime minister, being the odd one out.

 

[Kestonian]

So what is the point of the car scrappage policy?

 

[Easy_Rider]

So what is the point of the car scrappage policy?

Boost the car & car component industry and that it. The enviromental benefit is just a lie since over 90% of a cars lifetime C02 emissions is produced during manufacture of the car :shock: :roll:

 

[legrandefromage]

Cars traded in for scrappage need to have road tax and MOT.
The car being traded in goes to a licenced dismantler and is crushed no parts to be removed other than battery fluids etc
It is weighed and a certificate of destruction is issued, END OF.


Theres nothing environmental about that - no parts reused?? Tons of Co2 produced to make the new parts instead recycling the old ones...

 

[Easy_Rider]

Perry, while I grant you the whinging greens do a great disservice to their cause by constantly reminding us how we're doomed to some dystopian future, the fact remains we can't continue consuming resources at the rate we are currently.

This is particularly true with items like cars, that consume far more resources than they need to. Giving £2000 towards a "green, energy efficient car", to make everything better? Give over.

Our choice is simple. We change now through our own volition and suffer a lot of discomfort, or we are forced to change in the future and suffer a great deal more discomfort.

Chris, this is an argument i really belive in and have been trying to tell people but am just met with a blank face. This C02 emission crap is such a blindingly obvious transparent capatilist method of cashing in on the green theme. The real issue is that our resources are finite and at the rate of consumption (and the rate of increase in consumption) we will run out, it basic maths. It's not just oil and all the products derived from oil (plastics, chemicals etc) it's land for wasteful food production, water, animal habitats to keep a natural balance, the seas have never been so sparsly populated, we are fast running out and will hit us much quicker than any real effect in global warming :roll:

 

[Russell]

I'm not sure its meant as an environmental policy is it? As mentioned above, I thought it was purely a measure to try to boost vehicle manufacturing.

As for not giving a hoot about vehicle manufacturers, thats a very short sighted view. Next time your bike needs some new bearings, consider who makes them, and then consider if that company would still be making bearings for your bike if they didn't also supply the motor trade. The collapse of the automotive industry really would be a catastrophic global event for any number of reasons

The £2k is farcical anyway. Analysts have worked out that on average it takes 80 days (give or take) for your new vehicle to depreciate by £2k so you'd be better off selling your MX5 for £1k privately and buying a low milage 6 month old car.

Environmentally, who says we have the right to be around forever anyway? Every major population of this planet, from the Dinosaurs to the Romans and whatever came before and after them, has had its time here and then (will) fizzle out. Why should we be any different? We evolve, we consume, we die out. The planet recovers and then the whole process starts again. Environmentalists (sic) don't care about the planets continuation, they care about the planets ability to continue sustaining human life, rather selfish.

 

[perry]

that reminds me of a nice documentary type program on either 4 or the bbc what showed what it would be like if we stopped existing and how the planet would quickly devour any trace of human existence

and also a question on QI where humans existance in relation to the life of the planet was something silly like a pin prick in a mile

 

[legrandefromage]

that reminds me of a nice documentary type program on either 4 or the bbc what showed what it would be like if we stopped existing and how the planet would quickly devour any trace of human existence

and also a question on QI where humans existance in relation to the life of the planet was something silly like a pin prick in a mile

Yeah, the world only has to fart and we're gone. Dinos had millions of years on the planet, we've had about 100,000 as vaguely civilised. Very aragant of mankind to think that its so important.

 

[barry2017]

As for not giving a hoot about vehicle manufacturers, thats a very short sighted view. Next time your bike needs some new bearings, consider who makes them, and then consider if that company would still be making bearings for your bike if they didn't also supply the motor trade. The collapse of the automotive industry really would be a catastrophic global event for any number of reasons

It would be a catastrophic event, but not as catastrophic as them carrying on with our taxes paying for them to make things they'll never be able to sell.
As to what would happen with regards to bearings, it's simple. They would cost a lot of money, and made by a specialist. I wouldn't own as many hubs, but I could live with that. There's always room for a little business that makes something no-one else does. Goldtec hub, anyone?

Environmentally, who says we have the right to be around forever anyway? Every major population of this planet, from the Dinosaurs to the Romans and whatever came before and after them, has had its time here and then (will) fizzle out. Why should we be any different? We evolve, we consume, we die out. The planet recovers and then the whole process starts again. Environmentalists (sic) don't care about the planets continuation, they care about the planets ability to continue sustaining human life, rather selfish.

That's a really odd argument. I can see where you're coming from, but I think playing Russian roulette is a different thing to being killed in a freak event.

 

[crud]

Yeah, the world only has to fart and we're gone. Dinos had millions of years on the planet, we've had about 100,000 as vaguely civilised. Very aragant of mankind to think that its so important.

Which reminds me of agreat mark and lard moment that has stuck in my head for years

went something like this

mark or lard: so what it is that you do?
caller: im a student
mark or lard : ohh a stuuuudent, so what are you "stu-de-ing"?
caller : environmental management
mark or lard : pah! well thats a bit rich
caller : what do you mean
mark or lard : the environment's been around for a bloody long time, who do you think you are, coming here with your text books and pencils, trying to manage it?