Campagnolo Veloce 9 speed shifting issue

UnclePete

Retro Newbie
Chaps, your expertise on this one is appreciated.

I have Campy Veloce 9-speed shifters on my Colnago Superissimo. The RH / rear derailer shifting has become problematic recently. Using the thumb lever for up shifts, the derailer shifts happily from the largest to the smallest cogs with clear, crisp clicks. Shifting from small to large, however, is very hit and miss, specifically in the first four cogs. Pushing the lever will not move the derailer enough to change gear, but then it will shift two gears with one push. I've been managing this by shifting to a gear higher than I need and then dropping the chain back down with the thumb lever, but this is not a long-term solution, obviously.

The gear cable and gear housing are both new and clean and moving smoothly. The derailer itself is tip top. I've opened up the shifter, cleaned everything, relubed and reassembled, but the problem persists. The G springs, which engage the ratchet, seem to be fine (no obvious wear or damage), and the spring carrier post is still strong and true. The ratchet itself seems a touch worn on the first three teeth - nothing major, but slightly flatter across the tops than the others. You can see this clearly in the attached pic.

Since the G springs engage with the valleys and not the peaks, I'm not convinced that the wear on the ratchet teeth is the issue, but I can't think what else might be causing the poor shifting.

Any advice or suggestions are most welcome!
 

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As a rule if you take something apart and find a worn piece, it's worth replacing it as a matter of course.


But then professionally I'm more mechanic than engineer

I thought those worn tips make campag shift up multiple sprockets when you press the release button.(which is not your problem)

I'm sure the part is beyond tolerance though, and with that much wear in the various pivots, you may no longer be getting accurate enough cable pull
 
Slightly worn isn't good.
What are the jockey wheels like? It's amazing what a bit of 'cock' on the jockeys can do to shifting.
Chances are, if it's got some miles on it, it's probably a combination of a lot of little sources.
Chain and cassette also in good shape?
 
Slightly worn isn't good.
What are the jockey wheels like? It's amazing what a bit of 'cock' on the jockeys can do to shifting.
Chances are, if it's got some miles on it, it's probably a combination of a lot of little sources.
Chain and cassette also in good shape?
The jockey wheels are in good nick, and I bought a new cassette and chain when I got the bike, so I don't think the issue rests there.

Since it shifts up just fine, and the top half of the cassette (easier/bigger gears) shifts down just fine, I figure it has to be shifter related?

From what I can see online, replacing the ratchet will cost about as much as a whole new lever, so replacing it will be my last resort.
 
As a rule if you take something apart and find a worn piece, it's worth replacing it as a matter of course.


But then professionally I'm more mechanic than engineer

I thought those worn tips make campag shift up multiple sprockets when you press the release button.(which is not your problem)

I'm sure the part is beyond tolerance though, and with that much wear in the various pivots, you may no longer be getting accurate enough cable pull
It's not in NOS condition, that's for sure!

The shifting is very strange - it shifts up two gears with one push of the lever, but then won't shift at all with the next push.
 
looks like a lot of wear
Likely to be several components at end of life
I'd say buy another and save this for spares - the body can break and the lever often does
 
This is a slightly out of focus pic of a 26 year old Record 9 speed which was working perfectly when I swapped it out as part of a global upgrade to 10 speed on all my bikes a couple of months back. As you can see, the tops of the same teeth are also flat.
The only faults I've ever encountered with Campagnolo Ergo levers has been gear creeping caused by broken spring carriers.
 

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