Campagnolo Mirox hard ano rim - 36h

[Rod_Saetan]

Re: NOS Campagnolo Mirox hard ano rim - 36h

Correct, it was at one point built into a wheel, but never used, perhaps I have used the term 'NOS' incorrectly, not as incorrectly as some, but I appreciate there may be some confusion, I will therefore alter the descriptor to NBHFPOAALCBSU (New But Has Formed Part Of An Assembled Larger Component But Subsequently Unused).

I suppose plain old 'New' is better, except obviously it isn't new, it's old, so maybe 'Unused', though it was 'used' to make part of a wheel, which in turn was used.

Tricky innit.

 

[rjsdavis]

Re: NOS Campagnolo Mirox hard ano rim - 36h

Tricky innit.

No, not really - if it's been built into a wheel at some point, then it's defo not NOS. Genuine NOS is something that's never been used, built-up, put on a bike or anything of that nature. Usually NOS will still be in it's box, or, in the case of rims, still be wrapped in polythene as they arrive new from the wholesaler.

Yours would be used, but never ridden.

You're definitely right to highlight that both on here and on eBay, there's an awful lot of false claims when it comes to the term "NOS".

 

[Rod_Saetan]

Re: NOS Campagnolo Mirox hard ano rim - 36h

Except, if we use eBay as a guide for condition descriptors, then this would not be used, it would be New (other), not used. If I have a pair of Sunglasses on display in a shop and someone tries them on (as per the manufacturers request/common sense), then they have been used, but are still new.

I appreciate the grey area in a wheel that had been built as it comprises individual components, and I probably wouldn't sell the spokes as NOS (though I probably wouldn't try and sell the spokes at all).

NOS is not the same as NIB/NWT though either, I think it's reasonable that the general perceived acceptance of the term NOS does not only include items that have their original packaging.

And "Tricky innit" was rhetorical.

 

[rjsdavis]

Re: NOS Campagnolo Mirox hard ano rim - 36h

Except, if we use eBay as a guide for condition descriptors

Given the general disdain for Fleabay (and it's disproportionate number of thieving/fraudulent sellers) on here and indeed most places, I don't think eBay should be used for any comparison at all. I don't agree that a rim that has been into a wheel and put under tension load could be accurately described as "New Other" either.

I appreciate the grey area in a wheel that had been built as it comprises individual components, and I probably wouldn't sell the spokes as NOS (though I probably wouldn't try and sell the spokes at all).

In this instance, no component of the wheel would be "NOS", "New" or "New Other" or any other term you care to use. They would all be used.

The hubs would bear spoke lacing marks, the spokes would have been tensioned as would the rim. We have no idea of the competence of the wheel builder during the wheel building or disassembly process and it is easy to take a rim out of true by doing it incorrectly or incompetently, particularly the disassembly stage, and especially if some numpty cuts the spokes. Whichever way you cut it - it's now become a used (but never ridden) item.

NOS is not the same as NIB/NWT though either, I think it's reasonable that the general perceived acceptance of the term NOS does not only include items that have their original packaging.

Hence the term "usually" in my earlier post (not rhetorical) when describing NOS items.

And "Tricky innit" was rhetorical.

I know. :facepalm:

 

[Rod_Saetan]

Re: NOS Campagnolo Mirox hard ano rim - 36h

I know Friday afternoon is quiet time in the office but perhaps we could move the Internet policing of goods descriptions elsewhere, unless in the interest of balance you are going to be correcting everyone else's descriptions on the For Sale forums?

There is already an active topic in titled 'NOS' in the general chat thread so it may be worth giving everyone the definitive answer you are providing the community with in there, or ask for it to be a sticky?

 

[Rod_Saetan]

Re: NOS Campagnolo Mirox hard ano rim - 36h

For the record, the wheel was built when I bought it, and it was de-laced by a Cytech 3 qualified mechenic, one who eats a minimum of 5 custard Doughnuts every single day, and has a beard.

 

[rjsdavis]

Re: NOS Campagnolo Mirox hard ano rim - 36h

I know Friday afternoon is quiet time in the office but perhaps we could move the Internet policing of goods descriptions elsewhere, unless in the interest of balance you are going to be correcting everyone else's descriptions on the For Sale forums?

There is already an active topic in titled 'NOS' in the general chat thread so it may be worth giving everyone the definitive answer you are providing the community with in there, or ask for it to be a sticky?

It was only because I posted an initial question, that it exposed the fact that the rim wasn't in fact NOS at all, and has been previously built up into a wheel - something that you failed to declare.

Maybe you don't care about mis-representing stuff that you're selling? Having been burnt on here in the past by other users (one of them a high profile user), I tend to look a little more carefully at items I'm considering these days.

Oh, and I am in the market for a single Mirox rim which is the only reason I looked at your post specifically. I note the "internet police" insinuation that you make though - so maybe you should think more about your own conduct instead of insulting others for noticing important undeclared details - it is you, having mis-represented the rim and then gone on and on about trying to defend it - that is in the wrong here. The rim wouldn't be worth £65 even if it was genuinely NOS, let alone used, but GLWTS regardless.

 

[mkozaczek]

Re: NOS Campagnolo Mirox hard ano rim - 36h

My offer of 30 stands NOS or not

 

[Rod_Saetan]

Re: NOS Campagnolo Mirox hard ano rim - 36h

This is fun, isn't it?

Given the general disdain for Fleabay (and it's disproportionate number of thieving/fraudulent sellers) on here and indeed most places, I don't think eBay should be used for any comparison at all. I don't agree that a rim that has been into a wheel and put under tension load could be accurately described as "New Other" either.

General disdain notwithstanding, it has a few more users than the 20,000 or so here, and they have made a reasonably successful crack at being the go-to place for new, and used (and NOS) bargains. They do have a lot of good sellers too, and the system of New/New (other)/Used/For parts or not working seems to work OK, my question was of course not whether we should adopt eBay's lackadaisical approach to allowing anyone with 2 fingers to 'sell' something on the site, merely to borrow their already established grading system.

It was only because I posted an initial question, that it exposed the fact that the rim wasn't in fact NOS at all, and has been previously built up into a wheel - something that you failed to declare.

Maybe you don't care about mis-representing stuff that you're selling? Having been burnt on here in the past by other users (one of them a high profile user), I tend to look a little more carefully at items I'm considering these days.

I note the "internet police" insinuation that you make though - so maybe you should think more about your own conduct instead of insulting others for noticing important undeclared details - it is you, having mis-represented the rim and then gone on and on about trying to defend it - that is in the wrong here.

I must apologise for jumping to the defense of my ad, you see I didn't at the time realise I was mis-representing the rim, and though not quite worthy of Day-Time TV bad guy exposure you were right to jump on it and complain that I, out of all the sellers on here, was mis-representing my for sale item. Sorry you've been burnt before, but a PM or a question along the lines of 'was the wheel built up previously?' may have been the more polite way of going about it. I fail to understand why you were insulted by any of my comments, I was intending to point out that you seem to have picked up on my mistake in describing something in a different way to which you would have described, but not anyone else - it seemed like you were picking on me, and that made me sad.

The rim wouldn't be worth £65 even if it was genuinely NOS, let alone used

Ah, but it is only 'worth' what someone will pay for it, no? The perceived value will be wide-ranging, but as I am writing the ad and it's my rim for sale, it makes sense I decide what that value should be - I set that value at £65 initially. When it sells, that will be the point at which we can definitively describe it's 'worth' - we will have the benchmark, but until then, it must exist in some sort of mid-ground, we shall call this 'Schrodinger's price' - it may be priceless, it may be valueless, it may be a number expressed in dance, we will never know.

I based this price on an identical rim that sold on German eBay a year ago for 90 Euros (I was 2nd highest bidder as it happened).

GLWTS regardless.

Ah, thanks Man, I really hope when all of this is over we can look back on it and have a laugh over a pint, or mug of Hot Chocolate, I don't mind.

I have edited the initial thread and removed the NOS bit, but I haven't put anything at all in it's place! Hope that works for people.

 

[Rod_Saetan]

Can't believe you said I was going 'on and on' about it before, typical rjsdavis!