Black Friday

[FluffyChicken]

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And the person who put the shop there to buy the veg from or the sign outside the blokes gate to buy eggs or veg from.

They found a place thought there was a market and persuaded that person or old man to send the daughter to that place

All marketing.


That's ignoring that fact it might be the old mans favourite apple at the right affordable price the shop keeper is selling them at.

 

[Neil]

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And the person who put the shop there to buy the veg from or the sign outside the blokes gate to buy eggs or veg from.

They found a place thought there was a market and persuaded that person or old man to send the daughter to that place

All marketing.

That's ignoring that fact it might be the old mans favourite apple at the right affordable price the shop keeper is selling them at.

OK, I'll give you a few more examples, then - to refute this fatuous notion that nothing ever gets done before the marketing consultants actually make it with their own, fair hands...

Raspberry Pi, Linux / Open source software, mountain biking, THIS very forum.

NONE of those things got brought into being because a crack team of marketing consultants created them.

Marketing bods may well have jumped on the bandwagon since, once there was money to be made - but the ideas, the creation - none of that was a coup for marketing consultants creating them.

Now plenty of people buy Raspberry Pis, plenty of corporates pay for Linux OSs, there's been plenty of money made from mountain biking, and no doubt this very forum is a conduit for peer-to-peer or other transactions, but at the outset?

I realise a bit of exaggeration and claiming to have invented the wheel are legitimate techniques, and all - but doesn't mean there's not an awful lot of smoke and mirrors involved.

 

[Koupe]

I grow my own carrots, make my own bread, build & upgrade my PCs from scavenged parts, buy nearly all my clothes from charity shops, and get my old 2nd-hand cars from contacts on motoring forums. I'm not quite sticking it to the Man, but I am blowing raspberries at him. Go me.

If I'm going to buy something brand-new, I'll try my best to seek out genuinely non-biased product reviews to base my decision on, but I'll admit that I'm occasionally suckered by spiel. Oddly enough though, I'm far more motivated by avoidance than loyalty. The shops that I frequent only really get my custom because I dislike their competitors.

 

[FluffyChicken]

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I said nothing about consultants.

Raspberry PI found a market for something to help kids learn to programming, and adults alike. It moved into wider areas. From the onset they where looking to market it.

OpenStuff, the market are the people who want to do it and use it, else it wouldn't be there. Theylut it out there ij tot he market and see how KT goes. It doesn't have to be no ey, then people advertise it for them increasing the market.

This forum, John and a few mates had a chat and thought there was a market for this type of forum, there apparently was.


If there is no market or they cannot create a market, things fail. Until them that are in the picking things that a nice and also cheap are targeted with price reductions.

Of course that my thoughts on a market, common sense market. Not the creating or making the best out of the markets like techno or that women that went about improving hotels, high streets and businesses. Or the other one that goes about tarting and cleaning houses to sell houses...

Do you need a house, no but there are market for them, bivvies made from chopped down trees and leaves keep you dry, want to chopl that tree down quicker, well why not buy this handy axe, black Friday deal get it cheap. (Just don't check the price it was at some months back, bvut trust me its cheap now as this is black Friday and well we all know the hype... It must be cheap. ;-)

Luckily cyber monday is easier to do.

 

[Neil]

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I said nothing about consultants.

Raspberry PI found a market for something to help kids learn to programming, and adults alike. It moved into wider areas. From the onset they where looking to market it.

That's just spin.

The motivation for people at the outset was to encourage the younger generation to get back to past times where there was more innovative software development. That's an altruistic ethos, not a commercial one.

The marketing and commercial interests that have been attracted since, are merely a means to an end, and a necessary evil - the notion was not to serve that master at the outset.

OpenStuff, the market are the people who want to do it and use it, else it wouldn't be there. Theylut it out there ij tot he market and see how KT goes. It doesn't have to be no ey, then people advertise it for them increasing the market.

I'm sorry but that's simply not understanding how the open source community got going or thrived.

From the early days, it was nothing to do with marketing or increasing the market. It was people being fed-up of proprietary systems, OS and software, who openly collaborated for the good of the community.

Even now that ethic still thrives.

And yes, even now, commercial entities try and make a fast buck on the backs of an open, collaborating community by taking open-source software, trying to add their own competitive advantage - and they still can be held to account and made to publish their source code.

And whether or not it's the same for how this forum started, plenty of internet forums got started purely on the basis of helping others for no commercial gain. Going back some time I was very active in collaborating in some technical forums, and lost my interest in it when several members joined from commercial companies, purely to tout their service - when the forum had got established and built-up on the basis that plenty of innovators who'd pioneered and deployed environments and software solutions on certain platforms, freely collaborated with a community, shared their ideas / solutions and often software, only to have people selling services sweep in and tout their product as the answer to everybody's prayers.

The notion that everything is done, interest is garnered, and anything people seek out is all because of marketing, is all simply overreaching.

 

[legrandefromage]

I wonder how many keyboards Neil goes through.

 

[xxnick1975]

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All media bullshit, fighting in supermarkets was set up, agitators paid by the tabloids to create a scene

Media only report the nonsense, mostly created by them

 

[Neil]

I wonder how many keyboards Neil goes through.

I do it with the power of my mind, and the gentle hum of superiority.

Just thought I'd tell you what you wanted to hear.

 

[xxnick1975]

Shit me, a Polaroid flat screen for eighty squid......

Why didn't anyone let me about this!!!

 

[Koupe]

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Outside of large-scale commercial contracts, you can't even bring FOSS or Linux into a marketing discussion, because there is no monetary 'value' to the product. I know that my OS is supported purely by donations and the founder's financial input, as are most of the other programs I use. I haven't paid for a single piece of software since I stopped using Windows around 8 years ago.

I like to think, at times like these, what Jesus might do.
He might sell TVs at knockdown prices. He might sell iPhones.
Marketing his ideas, and those of His Father, would be the idea behind it all though.
What exactly is Walmart's idea?
I doubt it would be similar to the hirsute, sandal-wearing deity.

If you actually believed that he was real, that time when he threw the money-changers and animal-sellers out of the temple would probably be a good indicator of his marketing strategy.
Walmart, on the other hand, are the commercial embodiment of Satan himself.