Beer and taxes

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Here is an interesting take on taxation

[Disclaimer - I have posted this without editing. There are some errors in here. It's for humour / interest! Oh, and I live overseas.]

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100.

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beers by £20.

Drinks for the ten now cost just £80.'The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers?

How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'

They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay £5 instead of £7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before and the first four continued to drink for free, but once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a pound out of the £20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a pound, too. It's unfair that he got TEN times more than I!"

"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something very important .... they didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works.

The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.

In fact, they might start drinking overseas - as long as there's cold beer of course
 
Very interesting. But not sure the 4 poorist would be un-happy as they still drink for free.

The other others may be be still unhappy :roll:
 
come the glorious robot revolution and our true masters have taken over then i for one welcome our metal overlords and want to drink oil instead of a nice cold guiness. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:(thus unaffected by the party who said they wouldnt tax us all to the hilt).....what we need is a floating island somewhere so that we can stick all the money grabbing gits on it and then bomb the b8888888s.(kenny everett fan).....bzztt
 
orange71":i3tgnl79 said:
too much maths at this time of the morning :shock:

So true :oops: Love the avatar Orange71. puts a smile :mrgreen: on my face every time
 
Good analogy, but for total tax revenue, it is the middle tax payers who pay the most because of the numbers who are paying. Not many pay the very high band but most fall into the middle band.

The top band is paid by something like 1 or 2% of the population.
 
tintin40":cc6lmbie said:
Very interesting. But not sure the 4 poorist would be un-happy as they still drink for free.

The other others may be be still unhappy :roll:

wont be drinking for free long if there is nobody to pay the bill. they might not have to pay, but there will be no drink to drink.
 
Also, the man who is paying £59 probably is supported by several people who pay nothing, or very little and the government's subsidising their sh*t wages with working tax credits.
 
I'm happy I don't drink. Plus the tax payer pays me & I am a tax payer. So I pay my self :D I should pay my self more :lol:
 
Easy_Rider":1zh1axd6 said:
Good analogy, but for total tax revenue, is it not the middle tax payers who pay the most because of the numbers who are paying. Not many pay the very high band but most fall into the middle band.

Assuming a standard distribution you are, of course, correct. This is (allegedly) (one reason) why (some) politicians (might) (allegedly) (perhaps) embark upon headline-grabbing budgets to tax the very rich, rather than the greatest number of people.

Then again, studies (and experience) show that there is a rate above which tax increases have a negative effect on total taxation income. That level is somewhere around 50%. I wish I had the details on the top of my head - if people are interested I will dig around the bottom of my brain to try and substantiate this!

There comes a point where the very rich start to move away, or find ways around the system and for every person earning 100k at 40% tax (40k tax) you need to find 10 people earning 20k at 20% (4k tax). (Numbers very simplified)
 
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