AVOID
- Thread starter badnewsbrown13
- Start date
This is very interesting...I actually bought an XTR front mech off this guy not so long ago (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SHIMANO-XTR-F ... 4adee42988) and have to say the sale went without issue. It was actually quite a pleasant sale, and we ended up exchanging a few ebay messages about old bikes (he's obviously into his retro as well, and said he used to have an account on here iirc). Then a few weeks later, I got a PM from him highlighting the very issue being discussed in this thread. Needless to say, it was presenting his side of the argument (i.e. that his 'good' hub had been swapped with a bad one, and then returned under exploitation of the eBay buyer guarantee).
Obviously I don't know the guy from Adam, and I am in no way vouching for him with regard to the OP's issue, but from my own ebay experience, he sounded like a fairly decent guy. Ebay isn't always the most relaxing trading experience, and like the previous poster, I wonder if this is a case of a genuine unawareness of the crack (on the part of the seller), then each party thinking the other is somehow out to swindle them?
I still don't quite understand the purpose of the relisted ad though... :?
Obviously I don't know the guy from Adam, and I am in no way vouching for him with regard to the OP's issue, but from my own ebay experience, he sounded like a fairly decent guy. Ebay isn't always the most relaxing trading experience, and like the previous poster, I wonder if this is a case of a genuine unawareness of the crack (on the part of the seller), then each party thinking the other is somehow out to swindle them?
I still don't quite understand the purpose of the relisted ad though... :?
When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.
Al3xander
Dirt Disciple
Re:
1. All three listings clearly show the same flaw in the 'H' of Hope.
2. I don't understand the purpose of the second listing ('Hope hub, don't bid') at all. Whatever, he seems to have come to his senses/realised his mistake by the time of the third listing, where he sells it for a couple of pounds as spares/repair.
3. Forget about it.
1. All three listings clearly show the same flaw in the 'H' of Hope.
2. I don't understand the purpose of the second listing ('Hope hub, don't bid') at all. Whatever, he seems to have come to his senses/realised his mistake by the time of the third listing, where he sells it for a couple of pounds as spares/repair.
3. Forget about it.
Re: Re:
Exactly, the second upright of each H has a vertical void in the ink. Is the bloke some sort of paranoid dick?
Old bike parts crack, especially British made ones, very especially Hope ones, and often it takes someone else like a shop mechanic to point it out. In this case a buyer points its out, so the seller should just accept it and take it on the chin. And while we're at it, what the f is this supposed to mean:
'I would say almost mint condition which to me as a wheel builder means its had a very brief period of easy/light use'
Do wheelbuilders have a unique meaning for mint to the one non-wheelbuilders use?
Al3xander":2zgzxunj said:
Exactly, the second upright of each H has a vertical void in the ink. Is the bloke some sort of paranoid dick?
Old bike parts crack, especially British made ones, very especially Hope ones, and often it takes someone else like a shop mechanic to point it out. In this case a buyer points its out, so the seller should just accept it and take it on the chin. And while we're at it, what the f is this supposed to mean:
'I would say almost mint condition which to me as a wheel builder means its had a very brief period of easy/light use'
Do wheelbuilders have a unique meaning for mint to the one non-wheelbuilders use?
badnewsbrown13
Retro Guru
- Feedback
- View
The flaw isn't on the H of Hope as couple of you seem to think, it was on the flanges as if the tolerences between the Ti centre and alloy flanges were too small when produced and caused the cracks over time. Having looked at the photos a lot closer I can see the mark on the H is present in both of the listings I've put up and think it's a scratch on the transfer. The fault I had when it arrived is in photo 3 in the original (first) link on the far side flanges, the cracks goes from the inside out towards the spoke holes. Such a shame I never saw it before buying the bloody thing.
As for what fjpshaw is saying about the hub being swapped for a different one, if the seller is referring to me I'm massively perplexed why he'd do that, especially in public and not get the EBay dispute peole involved. I can honestly say I've never owned a Hope front before, got a couple of rears and waiting on a set to arrive I bought off here a couple of weeks ago.
As for what fjpshaw is saying about the hub being swapped for a different one, if the seller is referring to me I'm massively perplexed why he'd do that, especially in public and not get the EBay dispute peole involved. I can honestly say I've never owned a Hope front before, got a couple of rears and waiting on a set to arrive I bought off here a couple of weeks ago.
badnewsbrown13":1tzirzli said:
We are sayin that the common flaw in the H shows that the hub in the first ad is the same as the hub in the second ad and not some swapped out one. We know that the flaw in the H in the logo is not a crack in the flange....
If you look at the 4th photo in the first ad you can see the crack, runs along 90% of the hub and terminates in a flake in the anodising:
badnewsbrown13
Retro Guru
- Feedback
- View
Ah right, yeah sorry mate, get what you mean now (late night flowed by an early morning didn't help).
So the seller has just recycled photos of the same hub in question. Naughty.
So the seller has just recycled photos of the same hub in question. Naughty.
- Feedback
- View
I got ten years riding out my hope tiglides and ten years out of some topline cranks. I was happy with that and would now avoid either or as they both went 'ping'.
The pics show the crack on my phone so how they were missed by either party?
'hope' it all gets sorted (someone had to say it)
The pics show the crack on my phone so how they were missed by either party?
'hope' it all gets sorted (someone had to say it)
