polishing aluminum frame...........

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hi all
picked up an aluminum frame that looks like it's seen better days. was wondering what people do and use to bring back some of the old lustre.
it's not really pitted but looks that way. sort of what you see on old crank arms. hoping your experience can help me resurrect it.
thanks
roy
 
hi
thanks for the input but didn't get much polishing info from that link. other than `good results with 120 grit emery and a load of elbow grease... ' mostly about home anodizing. some picture of some heavy duty buffing wheels etc. i have none of that. this is going to be a get it as shiney as i can by hand or maybe a hand drill attachment.
anyone else tackled a frame by hand? rubbing compounds? emery cloth? steel wool? silver polish? solvo autosol? anyboby else? where's all the GT guys with polished aluminum frames? no one brought one back from the dead?
thanks
roy
 
think i found enough of what i need using the search. one question......what is his wet & dry everyone talks about? is it a special sandpaper? is it paper backed or clothbacked like emery cloth?
okay two questions, these brillo pads, are they the same as north american SOS pads? sound similar.
thanks
roy
 
Wet and dry paper =
A type of sand/glass paper that (the stuff i use) has a kind of material backing rather than actuall paper so you can wet it with water to help the fine sanding motion without it falling apart

AND

The SOS Pads =
From what I can seee on the internet they look and sound pretty much the same as our 'Mr Muscle Brillo pads'

Hope this helps 8)

P.S. give the frame a good going over with the soapy wire pads first, it can be a very nice surprise as how bad the frame isn't even just after a good clean :wink:
 
Buy the finest wire wool you can (0000?), and, as Bob says, go over the frame using some hot soapy water to get rid of most of the surface gunk/oxidisation.

Once that's done, break out the Autosol and a good handful of polishing cloths. It wouldn't harm to apply the first lot of Autosol (you'll need to redo it a few times to get the shine) with some of the fine wire wool.

Keep repeating the cycle (apply Autosol, polish with cloths) until the cloths stop getting dirty, and buff until the frame shines like a mirror.

Worked a treat with my old LTS frame fella, good luck :)
 
WD Pro":n95fp6o1 said:
OK, I went digging and found my quote, on page 10... :oops: :

WD Pro":n95fp6o1 said:
Mossy":n95fp6o1 said:
WD pro

Congratulations on a super build in progress. I concur with other retrobikers - the attention to detail is astonishing. :shock:

Just out of interest what method / products / tools you’ve used for the polishing of mechs etc. :?:

I have robbed my quote / response off another thread as I have been questioned about it a few times now :

WD Pro":n95fp6o1 said:
Hi,

This is probably going to get really confusing now as I have been asked about polishing ally and ti via PM on a few occasions. I have copied / pasted my responses below but removed any personal info (names, love n kisses etc :lol: ).

The response about Ti was sent to ‘mousemat’ (and should appear in bold blue text).

The response about ally was sent to ‘guybe’ (and should appear in bold red text) although this is at the bottom it may make more sense to read this bit first.

To summarize quickly : Ally = easy but time consuming. Ti = ball ache and very time consuming. Note that everything I have written is based on my experiences / methods and achieving a chrome / mirror / blemish free finish. I have no doubt what so ever that there are other methods that work better / quicker / cost less / cost more etc :D

WD :D


Hi mousemat,

I wrote this (below the solid line) for another forum member (guybe) when he asked me about polishing stuff in reference to him doing his XT bear trap pedals.

I know a lot of it is irrelevant for you as you will be working on Ti but it saves me typing it out again :lol:

The Ti bits I did I followed the same method but compared to ally it is VERY time consuming … :(

Also bear in mind that the Ti bits I did I was only looking for a good (mirror) finish on a small area as the rest of the item was getting blasted. I would not like to tackle lugs / welds / dropouts etc.

What finish is on the Ti now ? My bars and post were brushed and these were the hardest bits to do. It seems the more you flat them off / polish them the blacker / bolder the lines from the brushed finish appear – then all of a sudden (just as you are getting really pissed off) they are gone :D

The bar ends were easier as they were just ‘natural’ so a quick flat and polish was enough to get them good.

Note that I still only used 1500’s to flat of the areas first – a rougher grade may have helped but I didn’t want to mess up / scratch the finish more than I could polish out with the NXT so I persevered with the smooth grades …

The polishing of ally is easy by hand just holding the components but the Ti is harder and hence takes longer. I found if I held the bits in a work bench (wooden jaws) and used a cotton webbing strap (like what you would fasten an apron with) easiest – cover it in NXT metal polish, drape it over the item and then holding onto each end use a push / pull motion to do the work. A lot of pressure can be applied so it works quicker (but it still takes a while).

On the post (the last item I did) I tried the felt bob and polishing soap (came free in one of those sample / selection boxes you get) on the end of the Dremel. It worked OK but still needed a final polish by hand, I am not sure if it saved time but it was certainly easier on the fingers / thumbs, and a bit more interesting.

For a guide I reckon I put 2+ hours into the four small sections that I polished for where the stickers were going …

In all honesty (and probably not what you wanted to hear :( ) I probably wouldn’t tackle a full Ti frame (I ‘might’ be tempted on ally). I think I would bite the bullet and pay for it to be done professionally. The metal polisher I have used for my car bits charges his time out at £25 per hour and has the correct machinery – but I would guess he would be quoting 3 hours + to do a frame ‘properly’ – I have seen some very poor work done by some renowned professionals - Some bits look good from a distance but you can still see sanding marks close up. To me, a proper polished surface (especially if you’re paying a pro) should look like and be as smooth as a mirror, even upon close inspection 8)

I hope you get on well with it and make sure you post some pictures up

WD :D


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First things first – I am no expert on it but with patience you can manage most things ! :lol:

I was actually after some of those pedals until I saw how much they went for second hand and then I decided on SPD’s.

If I got some my original plan was to :

• remove the cages
• Polish the bodies by hand
• Flat off any big scratches on the cages by hand
• Get the cages re (hard) anodized in satin black

This would have meant losing the white lettering (but that wouldn’t have bothered me) but got me something that looked almost new. The only give away would have been the missing logos and on close inspection – some marks under the anodizing.

I defo wouldn’t want to mirror polish the cages by hand as I think that would be a lot of work due to the complex shapes and holes etc :shock:

I have polished anodizing off by hand but its hard work and that has only been on basic shapes …

If you do choose to have a go use a rougher grade of paper but switch to a much lighter grade as soon as the anodizing starts to thin / fade so as not to mark the soft ally. I used 600’s (this can be got from B&Q) to break though the anodizing.

I know you can remove it chemically (saw a thread on the forum) but I have never tried it and don’t know how easy it would be to polish up the etched surface.

The bodies would be dead easy to polish – an hour max per body – sat in front of the TV 8)

Looking at your picture I would go straight in with the NXT polish (from a good car shop for about £8. Any light scuffs / gouges should be removed with wet n dry. I favor 1500’s or 2000’s (about 30p per sheet from a car body paint suppliers) as even though it feels like paper it works very quickly when used wet on bare ally and the matt finish it leaves polishes up very quickly with the NXT.

As a guide I cut the sand paper into small pieces (1” x 2”) for curved shapes as it seems to go further that way and I would estimate 1 piece max per pedal body. If I use bigger pieces I just seem to waste it :lol: Use it dry and it will clog very quickly rendering it useless :(

In my experience a course grade will work quicker but you spend longer overall trying to polish out the marks that it leaves – Some of the pictures on the forum (NOTE FROM WD TO MOUSEMAT – There was a thread on some BMX pedals that had been done – they looked really good) have obviously been done by a professional with the right equipment to quickly remove the initial sanding marks :wink:

A standard green 3M kitchen pad will also leave a nice matt even finish if that’s what you are after.

If you look on my Marin thread the x lite caps are the finish the 2000’s leaves when used wet. They were done on the kitchen work surface – clean the top (no Crumbs ! :lol: ) wet the top – Stick a full sheet of paper down – worked wet and just rubbed the cap in straight lines until the anodizing, logos & scratches had completely gone. Probably about 20 mins per cap. Leaves a lovely black residue to clean up …

The X lite bar ends were done under the tap, small pieces of wet n dry and finished with a 3m pad. They took much longer to do as I had to get through the anodizing first. Seemed like longer but probably 1 hour, maybe 1.5 per item.

Cheers,

WD

Cheers,

WD :D

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Even the bolt heads don't escape :oops: :lol: :

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WD :D

WD :D
 
Thoought I might add that old t shirts are useful. Cut off the stiched parts around the edge and they can be used to get in to the welds and other fiddly bits. Use the same action that you would use when drying your back with a towel!
 
hi
thanks for all the great info. i think i have the idea. went out and found me some wet&dry. got 600, 800,1000,1500 and 2000. wish me luck.
still looking for some autosol. will hit a few auto parts stores on the weekend. although i don't know when i will be getting at this project. i have too many on my plate as it is. right now concentrating on my ti-mega. which is plodding along. still need an alpinestars fok. hint hint. :D
roy
 
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