So we should keep our mouths shut and not call it out for what it is? That sounds awfully fascist.
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So we should keep our mouths shut and not call it out for what it is? That sounds awfully fascist.
Chopper the ex Copper
Alpinestars Fan
I never stated or implied that people should not speak out. Please do no seek to attribute words to me that were actually not spoken, that is most ungentlemanly behaviour. Some might say its awfully fascist...
I said nothing more than those that make the most noise are often the guiltiest parties and gave recent examples of such, and those that just get on with it will be the ones that ultimately change things.
The problem here is that talk is cheap, and just calling people out while carrying on with our own grossly consumption lifestyles achieves zero. It has become a socially acceptable substitute for doing nothing ourselves. Speaking out prolongs the crisis, it breeds procrastination, it doesn't solve the problem.
So you talk away. Go nuts, I'll not stop you and won't call for anyone else to stop you (and I havent actually suggested you shouldnt.) You speak out while doubtless continuing to use that companies products yourself. While you're doing that other people are putting their effort into bringing about change instead.
That is the difference between talking and doing.
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Alright then. Let's start with this "imaginary" gem that you definitely didn't say:
You stated that noisy protesting doesn't and hasn't resulted in change. That is plainly false for more reasons that this site has old bikes.
It also reflects what the UK Tory government have introduced: laws to restrict protesting, so only the "right" noises take place. That is one of a number of characteristics that make-up a fascist society.
By it's very definition, protesting takes a formal (let's call it quiet or dignified) and disruptive (let's call it noisy) approach. Both should and must exist.
Chopper the ex Copper
Alpinestars Fan
Please explain how calling out a sports teams petrochemical sponsorship while simultaneously burning that company's products in your car is going to bring about change?
Please explain how calling out a sports teams petrochemical sponsorship while repeatedly buying unnecessary plastic consumer items made from their raw feedstock is going to bring about change?
Please explain how calling out a sports teams petrochemical sponsorship while eating food grown with nitrate fertiliser manafacured from that companies product is going to bring about change?
It won't. It never does. Because its the wrong conversation.
The very people doing the talking are the ones that should be the subject of the conversation, as their rampant and needless consumption is what drives the demand. That's the conversation to have if you're serious about change, and a very worth discussion. Talk about that a lot, talk loudly, and do so with my absolute blessing.
But you yourself and society at large don't want to give up your cars , mobile phones, foreign holidays, et al, so they moan about petrochemical companies sponsoring sports teams as a means of diverting attention from the very demand they create with their consurmer habits.
You will recall my first post when I stated that those that made the most noise against these companies were often the worst offendets themselves...?
You're as much a part of the problem as they are and you won't even admit it to yourself. Its symbiotic, because until society acknowledges that simple trutch theyll keep simply talking while simultaneously buying the oil companies products. They'll be playing their violins as the Titanic sinks around them. Good luck with that.
Please explain how calling out a sports teams petrochemical sponsorship while repeatedly buying unnecessary plastic consumer items made from their raw feedstock is going to bring about change?
Please explain how calling out a sports teams petrochemical sponsorship while eating food grown with nitrate fertiliser manafacured from that companies product is going to bring about change?
It won't. It never does. Because its the wrong conversation.
The very people doing the talking are the ones that should be the subject of the conversation, as their rampant and needless consumption is what drives the demand. That's the conversation to have if you're serious about change, and a very worth discussion. Talk about that a lot, talk loudly, and do so with my absolute blessing.
But you yourself and society at large don't want to give up your cars , mobile phones, foreign holidays, et al, so they moan about petrochemical companies sponsoring sports teams as a means of diverting attention from the very demand they create with their consurmer habits.
You will recall my first post when I stated that those that made the most noise against these companies were often the worst offendets themselves...?
You're as much a part of the problem as they are and you won't even admit it to yourself. Its symbiotic, because until society acknowledges that simple trutch theyll keep simply talking while simultaneously buying the oil companies products. They'll be playing their violins as the Titanic sinks around them. Good luck with that.
I couldn't agree more with Mr Chopper. Do your thing! If you care about the world, human rights etc make sure every choice in your life reflects this.
On my earlier point of HSBC as previous sponsors of BC, please take a moment to read this https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/company-profile/hsbc
Unless you are actually a policy maker, how and where you use your money is the biggest influence you can have.
On my earlier point of HSBC as previous sponsors of BC, please take a moment to read this https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/company-profile/hsbc
Unless you are actually a policy maker, how and where you use your money is the biggest influence you can have.
trailwright
GT Fan
If it wasn't for oil and gas we wouldn't now be sitting typing out these opinions. Western countries' decadence has led us on the current trajectory where we think we can suddenly enter a green utopia because the green billionaires want to shift society that way. It's more oil and gas we need as it's only then we can alleviate wider poverty through development. It doesn't mean we waste it or nor do our own bit to keep our environment pleasant, but we're hurtling towards self destruction with current policies. Shell are a legitimate company and they can sponsor who they like and if BC are now accused of greenwashing then it's their own fault for virtue signalling in the first place.
MattiThundrrr
Kona Fan
How about 25 or so examples of how public outcry forced companies to change?
Fox News and 25 More Companies That Faced Public Backlash
Consumers are vocal when holding companies accountable.
www.gobankingrates.com
dorset boy
Senior Retro Guru
Oh you can't beat a good hypocrite 
Billionaire dumps Australia netball team in dispute over father's racist comments | CNN
When Australia's richest woman Gina Rinehart threw a financial lifeline to Netball Australia, she triggered a debate about sponsorships and the role of social and political issues in the sporting sphere. Then she walked away.
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Who pays is turning into a big problem in Australia. As it was for football and China
