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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:59 pm 
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Hi All.

Thought I'd share this one with you as I've just finished it.

It's a bit of a departure from what I normally present as there's no
i) In depth research with catalogue scans and magazine articles/ reviews
ii) Pictures of the frame stripped to bare metal and repainted
iii) Detailed pics of Autosol part polishing or rebuilding

No. This one has been built up as I received it! - with the main aim of getting out there and riding it.

My rider / child carrier / Summer holiday project started out as a MY2000 Cannondale F400 with a 1990 'twist' to the paint scheme viewtopic.php?f=21&t=397449

It soon became apparent that although the Cannondale looked the part, it was undoubtedly too small for me (especially with the child seat on the back!)
I needed to transfer the parts onto something else.... but What? - a bigger Cannondale?..... or try something else a bit different?

That's when I saw Darcus's Ad for the '89 Kili Flyer and thought I would make a good transfer. A Sunday morning Drive to Bristol and I was the new owner of a well used but solid Fillet Brazed Saracen.

1st thing was to remove the cable a inner which was jammed in the top tube. This came out with very little persuasion from a pair of mole grips.

The headset was dismantled and cleaned. It was then reassembled with new bearings and a new bottom bracket fitted.

Paddlingpool kindly sold me the front mech, MR OX sorted me out with the stem, and eBay served up the Saracen bars and Saracen branded Q/R lever. Everything else was directly transferred over from the Cannondale......except the Panaracer XC amberwall tyres. They were too wide for the rear stays and tight through the front fork, so a Panaracer Smoke Lite compe graces the rear and a shabby Tioga Trail Dawg on the front.

The frame is exactly how I received it - the Pics are slightly kinder to it than it looks in the flesh. There's a bit 'oxidization' and 'bubbling' here and there but only on the surface. Once it's covered in mud you'll never see it! :wink:


The future plans are -
i) To ride this as much as possible - mainly family jaunts and the occasional off road
ii) Maybe ride at Mayhem... not sure if I'm available yet.
iii) Maybe Full resto long term but for the short term - enjoy the ride.

Here's a few pics.

Cheers.
boy"O"boy


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More pics...


Cheers.
boy"O"boy


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:36 pm 
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I like these, and I like a not too fussy rebuild. So I like this. Be interested to hear how it rides!


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Got to love a 89. 8)


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Not quite sure I'd say it's a rat, it's way too nice for that!

Lovely bike though!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:33 pm 
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Billy_ wrote:
Not quite sure I'd say it's a rat, it's way too nice for that!


Agree... "survivor"?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:02 pm 
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bluetomgold wrote:
I like these, and I like a not too fussy rebuild. So I like this. Be interested to hear how it rides!


Cheers. Yeah, can't wait to get out there and ride the Kili. I'd like to get it dialled before I 'have' to add the childseat. Just need a free weekend!

Will add a ride write - up when it happens!

brocklanders023 wrote:
Got to love a 89. 8)


Cheers Ed. Was also tempted to have a punt on Adrian's '89 Kili Flyer Racer - but reality checked and thought I'd best start with just one Saracen!

Billy_ wrote:
Not quite sure I'd say it's a rat, it's way too nice for that!

Lovely bike though!


Cheers Billy. Maybe 'Rat' might be the wrong definition for this.
Normally I go belt and braces on my builds, so building a rider from incorrect parts and what I already had on a well 'seasoned' frame goes against my OCD tendancys.

bluetomgold wrote:
Billy_ wrote:
Not quite sure I'd say it's a rat, it's way too nice for that!


Agree... "survivor"?


Maybe. Does 'survivor' count if the parts are non original. Ssshhh! - it's got lock-on grips. :wink:

Cheers
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:06 pm 
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boy"O"boy wrote:
bluetomgold wrote:
I like these, and I like a not too fussy rebuild. So I like this. Be interested to hear how it rides!


Cheers. Yeah, can't wait to get out there and ride the Kili. I'd like to get it dialled before I 'have' to add the childseat. Just need a free weekend!

Will add a ride write - up when it happens!

brocklanders023 wrote:
Got to love a 89. 8)


Cheers Ed. Was also tempted to have a punt on Adrian's '89 Kili Flyer Racer - but reality checked and thought I'd best start with just one Saracen!

Billy_ wrote:
Not quite sure I'd say it's a rat, it's way too nice for that!

Lovely bike though!


Cheers Billy. Maybe 'Rat' might be the wrong definition for this.
Normally I go belt and braces on my builds, so building a rider from incorrect parts and what I already had on a well 'seasoned' frame goes against my OCD tendancys.

bluetomgold wrote:
Billy_ wrote:
Not quite sure I'd say it's a rat, it's way too nice for that!


Agree... "survivor"?


Maybe. Does 'survivor' count if the parts are non original. Ssshhh! - it's got lock-on grips. :wink:

Cheers
boy"O"boy


Definitely. A survivor should have been kept going by any means neccesary. Old worn out grips are no good for riding. And NOS is for garage queens.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:21 pm 
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bluetomgold wrote:

Definitely. A survivor should have been kept going by any means neccesary. Old worn out grips are no good for riding. And NOS is for garage queens.


Like that definition of 'Survivor' - suits the purpose of this build, whilst sounding like it's been 'looked after'
I'll change the tag line! :D

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:55 pm 
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bluetomgold wrote:
I like these, and I like a not too fussy rebuild. So I like this. Be interested to hear how it rides!


As promised...

So.... free time after getting the decorating completed early! :roll:

I got to take the Kili out for a Muddy 17.5 mile ride. Nothing too taxing.... just down the Ashby Canal and back to check set- up with bail out points if something went wrong!

I was expecting my back to suffer a little when I compared the headset height to the Orange Aluminium "O" - one of my favourite riders. I thought it would be like the head down 'race' position of the Ridgeback 704XT which is identical size wise.
I was pleasantly surprised though.... the rise of the stem helps out a lot, but for a 1.5hr ride it felt comfortable and agile. Normally, I favour Aluminium bikes as my riders... I like the 'buzz' feel you get from Ali, so was fully expecting the Fillet Brazed Tange Prestige to feel far more unforgiving. It wasn't however, the frame felt responsive and light - the rigid forks giving direct trail feedback, although the occasional rut jarred directly back through the wrists!
Mechanically - no problems apart from the rear mech needs slight adjustment - it worked well considering the clag that was running through it. The headset stayed tight... I was worried that this would work loose within a couple of miles - like the old days! :shock:
I was pleased I'd opted for Lock-on grips and you can't fault thumbies - they continued to index and I didn't need the friction option.
The old Amber walls fared well considering the conditions, opting for a smoke lite compe on the rear gave enough mud clearance. They might struggle a bit more for grip if there was more elevation though. For old tyres, they haven't fallen apart yet either!!

Overall.... I'm looking forward to riding this bike more. Maybe a lap or too at Mayhem? (I've got to check next year's availability 1st though!)

My Kids have also taken to calling this one by name - so from now on, she's affectionately known as 'PINKY' :D

Enjoy. :D
boy"O"boy


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