Where's my forest gone? To the Grouse...that's where....

I turned up to a tree-planting session for a local community-owned woodland. There were more volunteers to plant the trees than there were saplings. Heartening but also depressing.

If we are to address climate change, associated flooding etc, then big things need to change. I'm vegan and have been for a long time. I don't expect this to be a popular view and I'm not trying to troll anyone, but a significant move away from meat and dairy production would massively reduce the production of gases that contribute to warming, would allow the possibility to improve biodiversity and reduce flooding risk. There are lots of figures bandied around, but one often quoted is that livestock produces about 18% of calories but uses up 83% of farmland. There are more efficient ways for humans to get a calorie-rich, balanced diet - getting our calories through meat and dairy is not efficient or particularly healthy.
As you say, a shame there weren't more trees but also it's nice to see the enthusiasm. Hopefully this enthusiasm carries on elsewhere.

The thing I don't like around a lot of these figures is that they bandy about numbers based on their own agenda; farmers underplay their impact and vegans overplay it and extrapolate US figures based on grain fed beef and extrapolate it out to UK farms which are generally not intensive in the same way (with factory chicken and pig farms being an exception), and utilise land which otherwise couldn't be used for cropping on any form of efficient basis, if it's at all positive. Land in the Lakes, Wales and the Highlands where it's steep, boggy and otherwise completely unfarmable is ideal for grazing animals, albeit the density needs to be quite low because the nutrient capability of the soil is generally also pretty crap (Bog Asphodell was once thought to cause brittle bones in cattle until they realised that where it grows is just indicative of very poor nutrient supply from the other plant matter around. Now in the UK I don't actually believe that we have even close to 83% of our farmland Now of course this flies in the face of me complaining about deer overgrazing and completely killing the biodiversity of these places so it's all a balance. I'm lucky; I can buy farmed meat from the fields I drive past, procure butchered venison from the herd that's decimating biodiversity on our peninsula, and fish that my monger can identify down to the boat it's been caught from, all with minimal travelling miles.

Personally I won't stop eating meat and I certainly won't be made to feel guilty for it, either from an animal welfare perspective, or a planetary perspective. Meat and dairy are spectacularly healthy in comparison to all the mass produced crap that passes as food for many people. For me it's all a balance; I have no interest in eating a diet full of synthesised or other mass produced junk that requires nutrient supplements to be considered healthy, and to be perfectly honest I really love the taste and satisfaction of eating good quality meat and fish far more than I enjoy a diet filled with beans and pulses in an attempt to get enough protein intake. However, I do care for the planet and thus won't buy cheap chicken or fish from Tesco, get monumentally fucked off with not being able to buy British apples in supermarkets, avoid imported and climate damaging food such as avocados and other similar imported products wherever possible and barely ever fly. We all make our decisions; on the flip of my environment positive choices I enjoy driving and have a 300bhp fun toy car, a 300bhp daily and another 300bhp truck (currently in pieces being restored). But I can only drive one at a time, and it doesn't change my total mileage a year. Additionally we have about 500 trees on the croft plus a healthy peat bog and many, many other plants. 500 trees absorb somewhere between 10 and 13 tons of CO2 a year, plus all the other plant life.

The problem with the environmental side of things is that people (not meaning anyone as an individual here, more the bigger human nature element) have a tendency to say 'I do X and anyone who does Y is terrible', ignoring that person X also does Z but that person Y doesn't. An acquaintance goes on about how my cars are killing the planet for his kids, but he demanded a new carbon frame when the paint was being worn by the cables (and got it, a carbon one that's not recyclable) while I paid to have my Charger 2.1 properly fixed rather than using the warranty that would just give me a new one. He has a Tesla, and replaces it every three years, I keep my cars for much longer and restore them as necessary. I don't fly, he does at least fifteen transatlantic flights a year for work, multiple trips to London a month plus other international flights. He also has a much larger house and likes it to be kept warm. My house is a max of 18c, and if I get cold I put on a woollen jumper. It's all swings and roundabouts and anyone doing something is better than someone doing nothing; and politicians and others flying everywhere either on regular but frequent flights, or private jets, cause a huge issue, and I have zero respect for anyone doing so while preaching that others need to change.

The world is filled with issues, and if we really cared about the planet we'd throw ourselves to the sharks because we are the single biggest problem on it. Fast fashion and consumerism, flights, throwing away food that we don't eat, and general overconsumption are all huge issues. But as humans, unless we can live naked and breathe in only air, not needing to heat anything, then we're going to have an impact on the environment around us. Put clothes on, eat anything or heat something, and we're going to be impacting something. For those who care about the world around us we just need to make sure we're doing things that we are happy doing; there would be zero point in me cutting off every avenue of joy in my life for a negligible blip on the global scale, but that doesn't stop me trying to protect the local ecology that I love, and actively try to improve it where I can. Even if this entire country just shut down and disappeared we still wouldn't have even the slightest blip on global CO2 which seems to be the only thing people care about as a frame of environmental damage, sadly, hence I will not be pressured into not driving an extra few miles, or eating a steak vs pulses etc (either way I like fruit, veg and salads). Not suggesting that you were trying to apply pressure etc, just a general statement against the movement where you see people thinking that because they're Vegan they're saving the planet, conveniently ignoring all the other damage they do by not making choices.

The bottom line is that we need to consume less, repair more, and look after the world around us without destroying it wherever possible. And where we are doing damage, do so in full awareness of the impact we're having rather than the ignorance that much of the world is quite happy to exist in.
 
We are all make choices. Life is difficult (even though i imagine most of the people on this forum are amongst some of the most materially wealthy people ever to have been born). You have to try and live your life happily.

I don't know why, but from a very early age i have always cared about environmental and animal welfare issues (amongst other things) so have made choices accordingly. These are my choices. I am not trying to impose them on you. Living my life aligned with certain principles is what gives me a sense of personal integrity - and that matters to ME (i'm not bothered how other people choose to interpret it). I hate virtue signallers and i also hate bubbles of identical thought - the echo chambers which seem to stifle meaningful argument.

As clever humans we are often ingenious in defending and justifying our choices/beliefs relative to others' - and maybe therein lies the biggest problem. We're too smart.

I have more stuff than i need. Like you, i go to great lengths to repair, swap, buy used, buy local and buy ethically, recycle etc etc. The most environmentally sound choice is normally the thing you already own. As to imported fruit and veg, i agree with you it seems wrong not to be able to buy local in the supermarket, but the negative environmental impacts of importing these things are still considerably lower than the impacts of even locally-produced meat and dairy. I get a seasonal, local veg box, which is to be honest fairly dull - so i do top it up occasionally with imported things.

I know i'm an unmemorable speck of dust in the great scheme of things as Tootyred has already pointed out, but for me there is great personal reward in at least trying to slow the world's slide into total dystopian hellhole. I've known for most of my life that this is probably futile.

As to throwing myself to the sharks, I removed myself from the genepool many years ago (via a vasectomy), having chosen to not have children. I married someone who made it very clear that she didn't want children as i didn't want a partner who felt she was missing out on having them.

Last night i dined at a vegan restaurant with my wife. Tonight we'll probably go somewhere where she can have a steak, because that makes her happy. As you say, swings and roundabouts.
 
Agree @wynne we're mostly if not all entitled people that are well off, or at least comfortable.

I think it's never to late to turn stuff around. Rather than "We've always done it like that". As if to say no room for improvement. I'm a meat eater, I've no problem with anyone's life choices, unless it's causing deliberate harm.

The whole food issue to me seems very complicated. Way beyond me getting it. I will say good food is expensive so I use supermarkets. I'm fine with that. We all make choices.

I do what I can by not wasting food or anything. I'm very careful to recycle, our local tip is great and separates everything. If you believe the board they put up they recycle 85% plus.

I love being out in the woods, around our way there is good maintenance. I think we all just need to be mindful and do our best. My conscience is as clear as it can be in this difficult modern world.
 
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