What's the used vintage bike market like where you live?

[minor_LEGEND]

If you look for midd or low end bicycles, prices are quite low, I agree but if you look for a Expolosif, a Marin Team, , Fat Chance, Klein etc top quality brands, in very good condition or NOS prices are still quite high. Kooka is too expensive today, even the Avid tri align has increase the price more tan 100% since pre covid or the XTR M900... prices of special parts are crazy expensive. The well known parts that every body whants are still spensive.

High asking prices will always be there. But if it's still on ebay, then it's not sold. That thousand pound Explosif ain't going anywhere at that price!
In that scenario it's a mass produced Taiwanese bicycle, 30 years old & priced at the original retail price, any prospective buyer would have to be super motivated to own such a thing at such a price imo.

 

[Tootyred]

Exactly my point a couple of pages back....

Trouble is joe average, is not a big thinker. He sees an xtr mech for £80 on ebay and so his is worth that too.

The fact its now just become yet another £80 xtr mech going round and round and round unsold seems to make no difference. Its still worth £80....right?!?

Somebody said to me years ago " my crap brilliant, valuable, investment" ...... your crap "worthless".

Welcome to a mandate for hoarding....again....

 

[greencat]

What a lot of people failed to realise during the bubble is that the vast majority of this stuff is just not rare. Shimano produced thousands of groupsets at every level. There are plenty of M900 rear mechs on the front page of eBay now… you have to question why anyone would pay more than £30 for one.

I feel for anyone who bought into the hype and spent thousands on old bikes, but you bought during a bubble and now it has burst.

The sad thing is that a lot of people who overpaid are holding on to stuff in the hope that prices will go back up. They won’t, and a lot of kit will now rot in damp drawers.

Yes, exactly this. Most of the parts, and many of the bikes, were manufactured in their thousands if not tens or even hundreds of thousands - and 30 years isn't a sufficiently long time to make them rare. Finding pre-WW1, or even Victorian bikes, in great condition - now that's rare and in some cases, nearly everything on the bike was bespoke and handmade. Compared to some retro mountain bikes, they look much better value. There are exceptions e.g those with some history of racing and provenance, the one offs, the prototypes, the very limited numbers by boutique manufacturers etc.

Much of the high pricing on retro-mountain bikes was people just being misty-eyed about their youth when they couldn't afford the bikes in the mags - and being bored during covid.

The much needed correction is happening. Plus none of us are getting any younger and the passing years made it harder not easier to ride the steeds of our youth.

Regarding prices on eBay, the best option is to check sold prices and base any offers on those.

 

[madjh]

I always like Konas, but when you see the details of the frame and the prices ... no. It is not worth the money they ask.

But for a Stem NOS ritchey force Lite steel with shipping 110 euros? I don´t know. Yes Ebay is quite expensive and the seller gets little, arround 65 of that amount but it is pricy. I usually buy in other plataforms.

I will not fall in the speculation area, like in retro video games. Sorry but the old stuff is old stuff and if it was unsold back in the days (NOS material) it was for a reason. So, I will value independent and check if it is worth pay the money or not.

For me the problem is that I use to buy the best condition component or NOS and I´m paying that too.

 

[minor_LEGEND]

Yeah, all this stuff is ultimately mass produced. Will never be rare.
As mentioned about a victorian era bike, one could argue that has more exclusivity, rarity value. But our specialist area (retro MTB) was predominantly made up of stuff that was sold upon it's exclusivity & high price when it was current. Why did you want a Syncros stem in 1992? What made a Cannondale cost £700 more than a Raleigh. That mindset hasn't gone away.

It's a buyers' market. Clever people will have realised that.

 

[d8mok]

I’d argue that many items are rare , certainly when condition is a factor

If they weren’t rare you wouldn’t have people looking for years for certain items. If you disagree I can send you my list if wanted bits for you to source cheaply.

It’s a buyers market for the stuff people don’t want. But for the teenage wall poster stuff … it’s still hard to buy.

 

[Twozaskars]

Lots of stuff is mass produced but as it falls out of fashion / becomes hard to maintain / gets stolen (or even totally mangled in the post @squirrelchaser ) or whatever else it reduces the numbers. I guess this applies mostly to cars but even the humble bicycle will succumb, I bought a ti Merlin a couple of weeks ago and the seller gave me a stack of parts that would have gone in the bin had I not taken them. That would have left the world of cycling with one less of everything I was given.
I sell loads of stuff on eBay and it - sometimes quickly, sometimes eventually - sells for what it’s worth. I don’t force people to buy it from me.