So when does a Bike become a Retro Classic ?

adi-66":2w7pwz5g said:
Well, it seems that i've opened a can of worms ..... again :?

I consider my / The Whyte PRST1 top be a retro classic, as it was sooo out of this world 7 amazing to look at & Ride when it was launched, not to mention its HIGH end price tag. It sort of defines a period in Bicycle design, when everyone was trying new ways to make a Full Susser a Viable Cross country machine, without having all of the attributes of a Pogo-Stick ! :D

I LOVE IT, AND ITS OLD (ish) NO LONGER MADE, AND look Mental... To me its Retro !

:D

So how old is this bike ?

They've been trying to make Full Sus bikes viable for cross country since the retro times :roll:, it's only when they went off on a tangent for that now downhill sport, did they loose their way.

If it's one of these modern things
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=447646
What's 'classic' about that ?

Basically just a Proflex with a modified design of a Vector fork by attaching it to the frame

;)
 
We've got a biter!

For me:
Classic: If you had a poster of it on your wall, never saw one in the flesh and would kill for it even now, it's a classic to you.

Retro: Without going into the merits or relative 'retro-ing', all are new bikes are gonna be retro in 20 years! I guess if proudly you show it to the biking kid at work and he say's what's "Fat Chance" but at the same time pass a middle aged guy in the street who mutters to wife: 'that was a Fat Chance' as he loads the kids into the back. Retro?
 
Retro ?

My Rock Lobster is 10 yrs old and is being rebuilt using components from that era , which to me is , or was the pinnicle of mtb development . Just before things got really overcomplicated for there own good .

So you had relatively simple V brakes which would stop you and have great modulation and user control .

24/27 SPD Gruppos , bar early mega nine snapping chains , these where light and very efficient .

Good suspenders from Marzocchi (faves) ,Pace , USE , Rond , White Bros , Manitou and even Rock Socks where getting there :D

I suppose all i am trying to say is , when i had my Saracen Sahara Elite back in 94 it was ok , but when i built up my RL in 2000 it was brill , and its all relative to what you like .

And i think the ten year rolling rule is the best way to go ! What will we be saying about 6pot calipers , pedal platforms and hydroforming in 10 years ?
 
Post this stuff up over the weekend...what the hell's wrong with you people?! :lol: :lol:

The position from Utahdog World Headquarters is, (if anyone really cares! :D )

Vintage! - Old stuff, early MTB stuff, these things don't necessarily need to work very well, and many look like complete time machines to a bygone era never to return. Slathered with Deer Heads, Nitto posts and stems, Specialized "flag" cranks, Bullhorns, goofy brakes, and more brass filler that the London Philharmonic, people buy these bikes and claim to ride them regularly more than they actually do. Mostly they get use by die-hard west coaster fire-road cruisers, pot puffing friends of the builder himself, or younger cash-fat yuppie hipsters starving for cycling hobby credibility. Poster child brands include Potts, Otis Guy, early Ritchey stuff. For the most part, I avoid this boring crap like the plague. :lol:

Retro! - stuff from any era which draws from the logic that a bike isn't bought, its built. Frame up, deliberations on the parts right down to the cable hangers, rider-owner sweat and tears smeared into the threads with Phil Wood grease and JP Weigle Frame-Saver. Retro means 'built in the tradition of' more than it means 'old'. More recent brands, some defunct, can fall into this category along with current builders seemingly left behind by the brainless march of time by their industry. Poster child brands include, IF, Sycip and Rock Lobster, Fat, pre Trek Bontrager and Klein...not that you'd be using any Frame Saver on your Klein, mind you.... Higher end frames from major manufacturers may also play here.

Classic! - Icons of the sport. Period. Reasons be damned, these are the bikes good or bad, that defined the sport for many enthusiasts leading up to and during the heyday of mountain biking in the mid 90's. Names that immediately generate a picture of the bike in your head, like "*POW* I know what that looks like!" Poster children include Adroits and Attitudes and Rascals, Zaskars and Xizangs, Ritchey P bikes, AMPs and Horst-link clones. If you cruise eBay and they help you out by suggesting other retro brands when you search for one of them, and as eBay works off of statistical popularity, then thanks to eBay and the simple laws of math...you're probably seeing a list of undeniable classics....like it or not.


There's overlap of course, but you get the drift.

Undeniable garbage should be excluded from all three distinctions...so Kooka should not be on any of the three lists. :wink:
 
What’s retro? Anything the beholder views as dated I suppose.

My personal view is that if I can jump on it and ride with reckless abandon then it is modern. This is pretty much anything built post 1996 and came fitted with v-brakes / discs and suspension.

Pre-1990-ish is plain old, you wouldn’t want to ride it aggressively off-road and if you did you’d be frightened you’d break it (or it’d break you).

1990 – 1996 is the golden era (classics if you will), people started building mountain bikes right, ground breaking designs and material advancements meant that you could truly ride it anywhere. However, these aren’t as advanced as modern bikes and as such you need a bit more skill and finesse to ride them. These bikes are the special ones…… get it wrong and you stuff it in the hedge, get it right and hang it all together and you fly. These bikes sort out those that can really RIDE and those that are just pedalling.
 

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