I get the picture. It doesn't mean a brew up on a ride is a bad thing. I like the expression "Drum up" and want to use it but without the connotations of dogma and traditions being sacrosanct to the detriment of progress. I welcome new ideas but enjoy couching them in nostalgia. We need to engage young people too and teaching the way of our mothers and fathers, both right and wrong, is important for them.