Sachs

[terryhfs]

New Success?

The original Raleigh Maverick (the dark grey one) came with one of those.

 

[Elev12k]

Hi,

My Verlicchi The Quarz freehub is known of being not durable. The weakest link.

The brakes are not foolproof. A fool can ruin them by overtightening the canti holder. You can't ruin XTII.

Shifting is very good, but not entirely HyperGlide level.

Compatability is an issue. Quarz shifters, cassette are not interchangeable with the common (read Shimano) stuff. Different spacing.

Fair point on freehub. It wasn't more durable than shimano and required a stupid tool to get it off. But the bearings lasted forever in the hub itself.

Re. brakes. Fair point too. But I wasn't a fool with them.... And they were easier to adjust than Shimano. The straddle wire adjustment device they used was superb. Still run one of them on my Alan cross bike. Modulation was great too.

Compatibilty. Basically if you use 7 spd Shimano spacing on all but the first and the last sprockets, which you use 8-speed - then it'll work fine with Shimano cassettes. I ran this bodge for 3 years and it was fine.

And I though the shifting was at least as good as Shimano was at the time.

dbmtb,

Thanks for the tip on the cassette modification. Can proove helpfull when my current one is worn.

Rear hub: Great bearings, but with mine stopped spinning because of the immense play that develloped in the body. I discovered when I lifted the wheel up, as it looked like I were cycling against the wind all the time. My bike hasn't seen very many miles though. Turned out it is a common feature with in particular early Quarz hubs. The way the body connects to the hub is very primitive. Actually this is the only thing of which I say it is below level. It is the rest of the Quarz group unworthy.

I do not know whether New Success freewheel hubs suffer from the same. I am currently busy with restoring a set (need new bearings), so after that, maybe I will find out.

 

[dbmtb]

Great bearings, but with mine stopped spinning because of the immense play that develloped in the body. I discovered when I lifted the wheel up, as it looked like I were cycling against the wind all the time. My bike hasn't seen very many miles though. Turned out it is a common feature with in particular early Quarz hubs. The way the body connects to the hub is very primitive. Actually this is the only thing of which I say it is below level. It is the rest of the Quarz group unworthy.

I do not know whether New Success freewheel hubs suffer from the same. I am currently busy with restoring a set (need new bearings), so after that, maybe I will find out.

OK I admit - my hubs were actually Neos. The bike I ran Quarz on (and raced against the likes of Michael Rasmussen and Henrik Djernis) has Hope Ti.glide and Fatso... But Neos were mechanically identical to Quarz version 1. Only difference was finish on hub shell.

I found they lasted great. If your bike hasn't seen much milage, problem was most likely corrosion related. Internal corrosion killed my hub, after 2 years of serious winter (mis)use - danish winters kill EVERYTHING. The bearings and pawls were shot in the freewheel but silky in the hub shell.

Like Mavic 501s and Dakars, New Success hubs will last forever as long as the bearings get changed, and you aren't so fat that you destroy the axle.

Problem is - the freewheel won't last forever. Compared to freewheels - the Quarz hub bodies are indestructible - and 8 spd freewheels in usable ratios are harder to find than rocking horse dung.

 

[dbmtb]

Thanks for the tip on the cassette modification. Can proove helpfull when my current one is worn.

No. It won't.

If you are using Sachs hubs, you will need to use 7 speed Shimano spacing all the way.

Would suggest a 12-28 HG.70 and a 32T sprocket from another cassette, and an extra 7 spd spacer.

Sachs was 5mm spacing, like Campag. and Shimano 7.
Shimano 8 was 4.8mm spacing.

You can probably get away with any Shimano 8-speed cassettes, if you are good at fettling,

Problem was the other way round - fitting a Sachs cassette onto a Shimano hub body made for 11T top sprocket. Splines were not long enough. You also had to find a lockring with slightly deeper threads: can't remember how I solved that issue. But I did - it meant using the same lockring over 4 cassettes as I recall. I think I just dug around until I found one that worked.

 

[Elev12k]

Okay. Other way round. I did that, because my Quarz hub was broken. I put the Sachs cassette on an about 2000 XT hub and it fitted without hassle. Not much spline left, but it fitted. Fortunately the wheel was identical to the one that went, except for the hub. So everything does look still quite normal on my Verlicchi. I still have the original wheel. Maybe I will give it another try when I have some time left. After I took the wheel out I managed it to loosen the bearings. But honestly, this was not of a corrosion issue. It was the body/freehub (whatever the piece is called) that tordated the bearing. Would be nice to have it back again. The hub itself sure looks better than the newish XT.

Also looking forward to have the New Success hubs ready. From what I have seen so far they have a robust construction with a sturdy steel axle. Maybe Sachs could have done a bit better with the al fixating bit (the bit that fixates the cone and rests to the dropout) on the drive side. Will replace it with a wider, grippier steel one. Can't remember how the body is fitted.

 

[dbmtb]

Also looking forward to have the New Success hubs ready.

There was also a new Success cassette hub.

As far as I know it was mechanically identical to the Quarz stuff.

Last Generation New Success MTB and 1st Gen Quarz was mostly different in the shifters, cassette and mechs. Everything else was pretty much rebadged New Success stuff.

 

[Elev12k]

My New Success hub is for cassette, no skrew on. The housing of the hubs looks very different, but I would be surprised if the way the body connects is indeed the same.

I got the New Success groupset of a FUNK. The FUNK is now owned and restored by andy.l. It became beautifull. Anyway, I were very disappointed the person I bought it from wasn't very carefull. Both mechs were cracked, the brakebits and brakes themselves were destroyed by overtightening. So I could write them off immediately. Fortunately the former owner didn't manage it to destroy the levers, shifter and the wheels Maybe one day I find another bike with NS groupset on a classified site and I have a complete Sachs New Success group. I also play with the thought of acquiring a roadbike with NS, the road version.

 

[Old Ned]

Well, there you go Spitoon, all you need to know about 'The Joy of Sachs'

 

[spitoon]

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