not in my opinion. Example... lugged Tommasini, beginning of the 90s. Build quality: incredible. And FTW said this, not me.
Geometry road, top tube: short, chainstays, too long.
Result: unridable.
Now Tommasini has made great bikes from 1995 on, however it's not the anally retentive quality which makes a bike. However, the Ultimate had oustanding features, like those bent stays. FTW again was telling me how difficult is to find people able to bend those tubes so well, without crimping or provoking those waves on the steel which are so frequent when tubes are bent. Again, that manually ovalized top tube, and those little tubes and that tiny triangle, a nightmare to build, to join the elevated stays and the seat tube.
But as you said, let's avoid discussing on Yeti quality...
Geometry road, top tube: short, chainstays, too long.
Result: unridable.
Now Tommasini has made great bikes from 1995 on, however it's not the anally retentive quality which makes a bike. However, the Ultimate had oustanding features, like those bent stays. FTW again was telling me how difficult is to find people able to bend those tubes so well, without crimping or provoking those waves on the steel which are so frequent when tubes are bent. Again, that manually ovalized top tube, and those little tubes and that tiny triangle, a nightmare to build, to join the elevated stays and the seat tube.
But as you said, let's avoid discussing on Yeti quality...