:evil: This makes me so F*****G MAD!!! :evil:
http://www.inspiringinterns.com/employers/how-it-works/
http://www.inspiringinterns.com/employers/how-it-works/
Really?
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highlandsflyer
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Why? It is an option for those who can afford to lease themselves out for nothing. Been happening as long as I know of anyway. Too many graduates in too many meaningless areas, for too few positions.
Better to get out and get some practical experience than stagnate.
Better to get out and get some practical experience than stagnate.
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From the website:
Should you take on an intern for up to 3 months, we charge £550 + VAT per month.
THREE MONTHS!!!??? :roll:
http://www.internaware.org/unpaid_inter ... re_illegal
If Mummy and Daddy can afford to send little Walter and Jemima off to work for nowt, then great; go for it. However, there are a lot of people I know with sons and daughters whom are up to their eyes in debt after uni/college, and now they have to pay for their kids to get work experience!?
I know of two graduates (brothers) one a medical student, the other studying law, whom are skint and are working in McDonalds because they can't get a place in their field of work. I wouldn't call medicine and law "meaningless areas" FFS!
As I work in the media sector (which is always the first to be hit in a recession) I have seen graduates hired and abused by unscrupulous bosses for no gain whatsoever, apart from the company gaining free staff. When I was on the dole a while ago, I was forced to be sent to a publishing house for "work experience" (I had more qualifications than the owner) and I eventually found out that the boss had sacked four members of staff and "hired" interns instead.
Alas, I didn't stay, and also found out that the DSS had sent me there illegally because they were lying to me, in saying that my benefits would be stopped.
The DSS send you to places like this: http://www.tcv.org.uk/employment/about- ... and-skills
because they can't be arsed in helping you to get a job, and low and behold, you talk to a "expert" whom is actually unemployed and can't get a job and is doing this for free to "gain experience"!!! :facepalm:
Years ago, I started in a local TV station for nowt. I was on the dole and living well below the poverty line. I couldn't even afford soap. When a job arose at the station for a cameraman (a job I had been doing for 6 months plus anyhow!) I applied for it. The manager held twenty (or so) interviews, and when I arrived in a suit for the interview, she said, "I thought you liked working here for free?" :shock:
Anyhow, I had acquired skill what I needed to and moved on elsewhere, but at a very low wage.
Internships have driven down wages across many sectors of industry. I am struggling for work now, as bosses will hire someone whom will work for free.
How can I compete against that and pay the mortgage?
From the website:
Should you take on an intern for up to 3 months, we charge £550 + VAT per month.
THREE MONTHS!!!??? :roll:
http://www.internaware.org/unpaid_inter ... re_illegal
highlandsflyer":373kkt5v said:
If Mummy and Daddy can afford to send little Walter and Jemima off to work for nowt, then great; go for it. However, there are a lot of people I know with sons and daughters whom are up to their eyes in debt after uni/college, and now they have to pay for their kids to get work experience!?
I know of two graduates (brothers) one a medical student, the other studying law, whom are skint and are working in McDonalds because they can't get a place in their field of work. I wouldn't call medicine and law "meaningless areas" FFS!
As I work in the media sector (which is always the first to be hit in a recession) I have seen graduates hired and abused by unscrupulous bosses for no gain whatsoever, apart from the company gaining free staff. When I was on the dole a while ago, I was forced to be sent to a publishing house for "work experience" (I had more qualifications than the owner) and I eventually found out that the boss had sacked four members of staff and "hired" interns instead.
Alas, I didn't stay, and also found out that the DSS had sent me there illegally because they were lying to me, in saying that my benefits would be stopped.
The DSS send you to places like this: http://www.tcv.org.uk/employment/about- ... and-skills
because they can't be arsed in helping you to get a job, and low and behold, you talk to a "expert" whom is actually unemployed and can't get a job and is doing this for free to "gain experience"!!! :facepalm:
Years ago, I started in a local TV station for nowt. I was on the dole and living well below the poverty line. I couldn't even afford soap. When a job arose at the station for a cameraman (a job I had been doing for 6 months plus anyhow!) I applied for it. The manager held twenty (or so) interviews, and when I arrived in a suit for the interview, she said, "I thought you liked working here for free?" :shock:
Anyhow, I had acquired skill what I needed to and moved on elsewhere, but at a very low wage.
Internships have driven down wages across many sectors of industry. I am struggling for work now, as bosses will hire someone whom will work for free.
How can I compete against that and pay the mortgage?
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Nobody's forced to take an unpaid internship though, and working in McD's has some merit, initiative, timekeeping, team-working, grounding...
Far too many students, too many graduates, so much debt, not enough positions. The sooner students realise a degree doesn't entitle them their dream job the better. If that stops some of them taking up pointless courses or overfilling good ones all to the good.
Not meaningless but either they are oversubscribed or the candidates in question are crap. Or both.scottmac":8b0upv8p said:
Nobody's forced to take an unpaid internship though, and working in McD's has some merit, initiative, timekeeping, team-working, grounding...
Nail on head. It's not employers fault there are too many graduates, it's Tony Blair's.mattr":8b0upv8p said:
Far too many students, too many graduates, so much debt, not enough positions. The sooner students realise a degree doesn't entitle them their dream job the better. If that stops some of them taking up pointless courses or overfilling good ones all to the good.
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Aye.
I have few qualifiactions, nothing that would be considered impressive. I've worked my arse off since the age of 16, and now hold down a very respectable job in a specialist field, earning decent money. Of all the young 'Graduates' we've employed few have been half as impressive as most of the lesser qualified (typically older or more dedicated) workers; the graduates come with a sense of self importance and often have a poor work ethic.
I appreciate that this is not always the case.
And It's not some reverse snobbery; My wife got a first in her degree, and completed her PHD in 3 years (now a senior lecturer and PHD supervisor). She's one of the most intelligent and dilligent people i've ever met. Her view is that as university is now 'expected of anyone of moderate intelligence', the recent few years of students see it as (almost) mandatory education, and that having a degree/masters/PHD *entitles* them to a job.
They currently have approx 60 PHD students. Their campus only has around 50 full time employees with PHDs. It's simply not sustainable.
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Aye.
I have few qualifiactions, nothing that would be considered impressive. I've worked my arse off since the age of 16, and now hold down a very respectable job in a specialist field, earning decent money. Of all the young 'Graduates' we've employed few have been half as impressive as most of the lesser qualified (typically older or more dedicated) workers; the graduates come with a sense of self importance and often have a poor work ethic.
I appreciate that this is not always the case.
And It's not some reverse snobbery; My wife got a first in her degree, and completed her PHD in 3 years (now a senior lecturer and PHD supervisor). She's one of the most intelligent and dilligent people i've ever met. Her view is that as university is now 'expected of anyone of moderate intelligence', the recent few years of students see it as (almost) mandatory education, and that having a degree/masters/PHD *entitles* them to a job.
They currently have approx 60 PHD students. Their campus only has around 50 full time employees with PHDs. It's simply not sustainable.
sparkiegaz
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Well if I were clever had law or medical degree IDE leave shit pot uk go over seas, still lots great places to work and live. But I'm not clever so stuck in uk rat race
sparkiegaz
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Friend has worked for legal department of IBM for years goes and lives all over the world, all sorts of law out there business law etc etc employment law, as for medical surely a human body is a human body or are they different over seas, one anesthetis and two nurses I know left. So as I said if I were clever IDE be gone. All the people going to uni and yet we can't get enough engineers To many monkey courses like tourism and hairdresser .
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