Plastic Bag Charge

[EggyBum6969]

fair do's daytona but if they still want bags for what ever reason
surly paper an hemp bags or even made from nettle fibres
would be better then the plastic 1s that cause all the problems

 

[66 triumph daytona]

Re:

Not necessarily,the heavy plastic carrier bags last infinitely,I have 5 that are getting on for 11 years old used every week for the weekly big shop and nipping down for a litre of milk.I expect my son will be using them when I pop my clogs.They will way outlast the hipster natural ones by many many years.One must factor in the manufacturing,carbon footprint and very(compared to synthetic) short lifespan of the natural bag.

 

[dyna-ti]

. Have I mentioned their special offers at present?

Well, not the Lamb chops thats for sure.
One casts a professional eye across then and disdain follows :?

 

[EggyBum6969]

"Hemp probably evolved in central Asia, where it became the first fiber plant to be cultivated. At this nascent stage of civilization, "

http://galaxyglobaleatery.wordpress.com ... y-of-hemp/

hemp has been used for clothing an many other items of use for thousands of years
they were making stuff with fibres without pollution then
its really tough stuff that should last for a long time
http://www.rexresearch.com/hhist/hhist1.htm

the rope on old boats is made from hemp
http://www.neropes.com/resources/history_of_rope.pdf




plastic will last for sure but even if everybody only bought one thats a lot of toxic gunk to produce them

 

[66 triumph daytona]

I think we are in general agreement that carrier bags are the way to go regardless of what they are made of.The difference after a few months is noticeable.

 

[The History Man]

And after that do something about the ubiquitous macdonalds packaging that I increasingly see in hedgerows and Beauty spots when out on a ride.

 

[highlandsflyer]

Interestingly, or just pure coincidence my wife and I have just had a conversation about fast food packaging littering. I suggest the fast food outlets levy a 'deposit' on their packaging.

If your Crappy Meal packaging was worth a £1 back on your next visit you are quite likely to retain it.

 

[EggyBum6969]

yep any place a car can park up you will see these cartons
an something should be done about it

the sheeple are happy to eat aspartame msg gm fed meat with gm soya bread cooked in gm soya veg oil but there not so happy to shove the remains of that garbage in a bin, an then you hear them moan about places being a sh1thole ffs

saying that though the bins at the drive through's are always full
when you go past them
an people just throw there sh1te next to the bin an they blow away

mcdums an co should be forced to provide massive bins in hot spots an empty them often or face fines an yeah a levy on the packets should be at least 50p per item an massive fines
for littering with them

 

[joe careless]

I can bring to this discussion 3 points.
Firstly living in Wales where the 'bag tax' has been in force for a while I no longer see plackie bags littering hedgerows and lots of small businesses now have available own branded cotton bags that represent good value and advertising. There is clear evidence that free bags incentivises overspending whilst shopping ( good for supermarkets, bad for home budgets ) it also starts to create more environmentally aware habits.

Secondly the 5p charge, on the whole the money is donated to a charity by the business and it wasn't that long ago that shops charged at least 5p for plastic bags, I clearly remember kwiksave charging 2-5p per bag. The local Surf life saving club has benefitted from the money raised by local businesses and now the money raised locally will be used for the new lifeboat station.

Thirdly, having had my own shop I am more than aware of the various levies in regards to waste produced in business and tbh you can only ask customers to do so much it's upto them to put it in the bin sometimes '' pork, you can't educate it only cure it ''

 

[EggyBum6969]

Re:

cotton bags are not eco friendly cotton production uses dirty
gunk pesticides etc

hemp will grow like nettles with nothing on it
no chemical herbicides an pesticides needed

an can be used raw, where as cotton for clothing etc
is full of crap unless its organic cotton

http://www.ota.com/organic/environment/ ... nment.html

"Cotton is considered the world's 'dirtiest' crop due to its heavy use of insecticides, the most hazardous pesticide to human and animal health. Cotton covers 2.5% of the world's cultivated land yet uses 16% of the world's insecticides, more than any other single major crop (1).

Aldicarb, parathion, and methamidopho, three of the most acutely hazardous insecticides to human health as determined by the World Health Organization, rank in the top ten most commonly used in cotton production. All but one of the remaining seven most commonly used are classified as moderately to highly hazardous (1).

Aldicarb, cotton's second best selling insecticide and most acutely poisonous to humans, can kill a man with just one drop absorbed through the skin, yet it is still used in 25 countries and the US, where 16 states have reported it in their groundwater (1).

Insecticide use has decreased in the last 10 years with the introduction of Biotechnology (BT), the fastest adapted yet most controversial new technology in the history of agriculture. As of 2007, Bt cotton already commands 34% of total cotton cropland and 45% of world cotton production. In Bt cotton, the insecticide is always present in the plant rather than applied in periodic spraying sessions which will lead to rapid rates of pest immunities and possibly produce superpests (3).

It can take almost a 1/3 pound of synthetic fertilizers to grow one pound of raw cotton in the US, and it takes just under one pound of raw cotton to make one t-shirt (4).

Nitrogen synthetic fertilizers are considered the most detrimental to the environment, causing leaching and runoff that freshwater habitats and wells (5).