Paris. Not Good News.
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Another suicide bombing this morning, this time a female islamist in St Denis. :shock:
There is of course a big debate to have about why this happens, who does it, what we in the West can do to defeat (or at least live with) islamofascist terrorism.
Clearly it's wrong to pretend that all terrorist attacks are by muslims, or that these attacks are in any way representative of the vast majority of muslims in the UK and across the West. we re at risk, I believe, of allowing the definition of terrorism to drift into a meaning that would apply only to the kind of violence that only islamofascists seem to do. But let us not forget the far-right terrorist atrocity carried out by Anders Breivik in Norway not so long ago.
While there are many points of view floating around that need to be considered, digested, and addressed, the central truth is that (a) the human race has a minority of people with violent psychopathic tendencies, and that (b) some religious holy books ask adherents to wage war on civilians outwith the religion. Obviously, most human beings have compassion for others, and thus reject or ignore the calls to war in their holy book. The problem comes when (a) and (b) overlap, and even though this happens in only a vanishingly small fraction of the population, the impact of their terrorist attacks really can ruin things for most of the rest of us.
We're going to have to face up to the fact that we can't kill an idea (or religion) with bombs and bullets. Islamofascism exists and it will continue to exist for the foreseeable future. What we need to do is protect our way of live at home, and wage war on the growing terrorist army known as Daesh, ISIS, ISIL or IS.
My first step would be to cut off their funding. We should start bombing their oil tankers, and threaten the Saudis and Turkey with consequences unless they stop funding and arming Daesh. That two of our supposed allies in the region are doing so is hard to stomach.
Secondly, I feel we need to give as much help to the Kurds as possible, as they seem to be the only force in the region who has been willing to seriously take on Daesh, and they have had success in doing so. In return, the Kurds should be given an independent Kurdish state at the very least comprised of Kurdish areas of Syria and Iraq. I would also break off the Kurdish area of Turkey and add that as well, as punishment for Turkey's support for Daesh.
Thirdly, direct but measured military action against Daesh needs to be taken. Airstrikes can only do so much, and boots on the ground are going to be needed, unfortunately.
There is of course a big debate to have about why this happens, who does it, what we in the West can do to defeat (or at least live with) islamofascist terrorism.
Clearly it's wrong to pretend that all terrorist attacks are by muslims, or that these attacks are in any way representative of the vast majority of muslims in the UK and across the West. we re at risk, I believe, of allowing the definition of terrorism to drift into a meaning that would apply only to the kind of violence that only islamofascists seem to do. But let us not forget the far-right terrorist atrocity carried out by Anders Breivik in Norway not so long ago.
While there are many points of view floating around that need to be considered, digested, and addressed, the central truth is that (a) the human race has a minority of people with violent psychopathic tendencies, and that (b) some religious holy books ask adherents to wage war on civilians outwith the religion. Obviously, most human beings have compassion for others, and thus reject or ignore the calls to war in their holy book. The problem comes when (a) and (b) overlap, and even though this happens in only a vanishingly small fraction of the population, the impact of their terrorist attacks really can ruin things for most of the rest of us.
We're going to have to face up to the fact that we can't kill an idea (or religion) with bombs and bullets. Islamofascism exists and it will continue to exist for the foreseeable future. What we need to do is protect our way of live at home, and wage war on the growing terrorist army known as Daesh, ISIS, ISIL or IS.
My first step would be to cut off their funding. We should start bombing their oil tankers, and threaten the Saudis and Turkey with consequences unless they stop funding and arming Daesh. That two of our supposed allies in the region are doing so is hard to stomach.
Secondly, I feel we need to give as much help to the Kurds as possible, as they seem to be the only force in the region who has been willing to seriously take on Daesh, and they have had success in doing so. In return, the Kurds should be given an independent Kurdish state at the very least comprised of Kurdish areas of Syria and Iraq. I would also break off the Kurdish area of Turkey and add that as well, as punishment for Turkey's support for Daesh.
Thirdly, direct but measured military action against Daesh needs to be taken. Airstrikes can only do so much, and boots on the ground are going to be needed, unfortunately.
ultrazenith":20uqarha said:
is this not a part of the 'agenda' of ISIL? i think threatening behaviour toward other nations is probably best avoided - even though they might be/are funding them - i'm not even sure what consequences could be enforced without it turning into another 'side conflict', dividing even more nations into 'with them/against them' factions.
what i'm interested in is why all of a sudden, these attacks have taken a rise - whats provoking ISIL into taking action now? their religion or 'book of instructions' has always been there - so why now? i want to say the West has probably played a part in provoking these types to act out, but i really dont know enough to speculate on it, much other than the obvious 'we want their oil resources' so waging a war against these extremist groups who have 'strong holds' in these areas seems a good shoe in the door...???
like i said, im not so educated on these matters, and that may come across as ignorance in some of my comments - but im really just trying to see it from both sides before i start ploughing in with my thoughts..... :roll: :?
twain":10naw681 said:
My sense is that the ISIS leadership is working to a timetable, and possibly an accelerated one.
IIRC the main thing that separates them from Al Qaida is ISIS's belief they will see Armageddon/other prophecies come true in their lifetime. I suspect that's a huge part of their appeal to young disaffected extremists. Given the choice between living a life of purity in some hellhole while preparing the ground for future generations, or being part of the main event - it's easy to see why Al Qaida is haemorrhaging support to ISIS.
This is why I believe they are likely to implode without too much outside help. Keep them contained, ignore their increasingly shrill voices, make it extremely difficult to leave once you've joined them and make sure none of their prophecies come true (eg Armies of Rome meeting them at certain locations). They are essentially the Ebola of the Islamic believing world - they burn extremely hot, scream look at me all of the time, but without succour I can see them falling apart in less than a decade.
dyna-ti":106o1plu said:
That is a far sweeping statement and incorrect.
Take a look through the summary for 2015, most do tend to have been committed by islamist groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... ents,_2015
As I said earlier (especially to those who talk about "wishing to continue living freely"):
The only times in modern history, that the world's wealth and resources were as unfairly and unevenly distributed as they are today (ie: hoarded into the pockets of the top few percent), were during the few years shortly preceeding both world wars.
It has been claimed by some that the fiat money system is a ponzi scheme, and it can only continue producing the imbalances it does if the 'system' can continue expanding/growing at at least 5% per year, but the west-world's reproduction rates are far below that and won't allow it any more; plus many many of this culture's 'real' jobs (manufacturing/fabrication etc) have been shipped off-shore ...
Conclusion: the modern world is fast headed into very troubling times. It appears, when one soberly considers all the war theatres active around the globe today, that the flames of some form of third world war have already been fanned.
As is said, time and again ... just "follow the money".
The real question is, is there anything that anyone can do, to change the direction of heartbreak and destruction that this train called earth is currently hurtling toward?
Change - the only constant.
The only times in modern history, that the world's wealth and resources were as unfairly and unevenly distributed as they are today (ie: hoarded into the pockets of the top few percent), were during the few years shortly preceeding both world wars.
It has been claimed by some that the fiat money system is a ponzi scheme, and it can only continue producing the imbalances it does if the 'system' can continue expanding/growing at at least 5% per year, but the west-world's reproduction rates are far below that and won't allow it any more; plus many many of this culture's 'real' jobs (manufacturing/fabrication etc) have been shipped off-shore ...
Conclusion: the modern world is fast headed into very troubling times. It appears, when one soberly considers all the war theatres active around the globe today, that the flames of some form of third world war have already been fanned.
As is said, time and again ... just "follow the money".
The real question is, is there anything that anyone can do, to change the direction of heartbreak and destruction that this train called earth is currently hurtling toward?
Change - the only constant.
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