Orange Guru Needed

[Elmo]

Hi, I need the help of the Orange Guru`s to identify this bike that I bought at a boot fair today.
It is stickered up as an Orange but does not show which model it is.
I`m not 100% sure that it is a genuine Orange bike but for £15 I`m not really bothered,it will build up into a nice looking bike whatever it is.
It was fitted with cheap chrome steel forks and cheap shimano 7 speed groupo parts and the saddle was tied to the top tube

Vital Statistics are as follows.....
Seat tube C to C =16"
Seat tube C to T =18"
Seat Tube O/D 34.9mm
Seat Tube I/D 30.2mm (Seat post)
Top Tube C to C 21.5"
Top Tube O/D 39mm (Entire length)
Head Tube 135mm x 1 1/8th
Bottom Bracket 68mm
Seat Stays O/D 19mm (Not tapered) with chain hanger.
Down Tube O/D 49mm (Middle)
Down Tube Swaged to 44.4mm x 53.8mm (At head tube)
Down Tube Swaged to 44mm x 54mm (At bottom bracket)
Chain Stays 31mm x 19mm (Not tapered but crimped for tyre and chainset clearance)
Chain Stays length 16.5"

Cable stops welded on top of top tube
Rear gear stops pop rivetted to under side of seat stay
Front gear stop welded to seat tube
Drop out stamped "56 deg" on inside
Replaceable gear hanger marked "Everest"
Stickers over lacquer
No frame number under bottom bracket.Never been stamped.Not been filed and filled.

Can a guru please put me out of my misery ?
Is it a "Aluminium O" or "Elite" ?

 

[marc two tone]

orange find

hi. im no authority on oranges but i can help wittle it down. as its not mono rear stay....its not an 'elite 3' not a big help but 1 to cross off the list atleast.
check the rear wheel dropouts for 'orange' stamp.

nice i-beam type stem though! and, did the bb come out ok?

good luck anway,alu frame non the less.good price.

marc.

 

[Elmo]

Cheers for that Marc.
No, the bottom bracket is well seized and very worn so is having a nice soak for a week or so.

 

[EarlofBarnet]

Looks an alright frame, even if it's not an Orange. I like the detail of the bolt-on cable stop.

 

[brocklanders023]

Some of the frame features look like my Aluminium Elite, but the seat stay cable stop is different. Does it have a 1" headset? Looks like it. Don't think any Orange Aluminium bikes had a 1". The serial number on the bottom bracket could hold the key. :?

 

[Elmo]

The headset is 1 1/8th and the frame has no serial number stamped under the bottom bracket (or anywhere else) that I can see,and it has`nt been filed off and filled either.
I thought it may have been a Marin Indian Fire trail but they used under the bottom bracket gear cable routing

 

[legrandefromage]

close up of the rear mech hanger? early Oranges were 1 1/4 headset and the hangers were a 3 bolt affair with a steel plate sandwiching the stays


Pickle's 'O'

 

[Anthony]

I'm afraid I don't think that is an Orange. I haven't heard of one in size 18, I haven't seen riveted cable guides, I haven't seen twin rack eyes in the dropouts, and I'm pretty sure they made a feature in their early aluminium frames of the three front triangle tubes all being 34.9 ED.

Admittedly they did chop and change with their details and some of the features of your frame do bear some similarity, but this picture of an Elite also shows lots of differences. The dropout with one rack eye on the top is characteristic.

 

[legrandefromage]

ooh dear - looks remarkably similar to my Claud Butler frame sitting out back:

 

[vidal130]

I am no expert by any means, but might it be a prototype???
I have a prototype based sort of , on a clockwork, with no numbers on it at all. There are quite a few floating around.