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I saw this old bike in Craigslist in Florida, so I called the seller and convinced him to sell it to me. I could see from the seller’s pics that it had a bit of surface rust and several very small chips in the paint, but the decals looked to be complete and unscarred, and it still had all of the original Deore XT parts except the seatpost.

I told the seller that I would cover the cost of shipping as well as the cost for a bike shop to pack it for him. All he had to do was to drop it by the bike shop, and then take it 2 blocks away to the UPS store when it was ready to ship. He’s not very eBay-savvy, so I took a chance and paid him up front with Western Union.

All worked out great, and the bike arrived after a few days.

It turns out I underestimated the condition of the parts; even though they were dirty and greasy, they looked as if they were hardly used at all! The Deore XT pedals were still perfectly black with perfect white lettering, and although there looked to be a bit of hazy white corrosion on the derailleur body (it should polish out easily), the black part with the Deore XT logo on both mechs looked untouched and shiny new! Original parts in near-unused condition include Shimano 600 headset, XT hubs, XT brake shoes, Biopace HP chain rings (26, 36, 46 – my favorite!), Araya RM-20 rims (the green Araya stickers on the inside of the rims are perfect!), and Pinnacle tires that had more than 1/8 of an inch of tread along the center, as if they’ve only been ridden for a handful of miles! Frame is straight and true as are the rims. The sides of the rims have no appreciable grooving to speak of, and all bearings seem to be in perfect working order.

I was also right about the decals; other than some cable rub on the side of the head tube decal, and a couple of very small paint chips (with accompanying surface rust), they look to be otherwise unscathed! Not bad for a bike that’s more than 20 years old!

OK, now the downside (you knew it was coming, didn’t you?). Although the tires have plenty of tread on them, they’re dried out, so I wouldn’t trust them for even a single ride (good for a trailer queen, though). The rubber o-rings on the ends of the skewers are dried and cracked, and the skewers have quite a bit of rust on them. The saddle support rails are also completely rusted, BUT

…what I wasn’t prepared for was a broken and stuck seat post. Apparently the guys at the bike shop tried to twist the post out while the seat was still connected (instead of simply removing the seat from the post) and the post came apart. It probably doesn’t make a difference though; judging by the rust on the saddle supports, I’d say this bike has seen a lot of humidity in its lifetime, and so that post is no doubt permanently fused to the seat tube.

It’s not a total loss, though. Like I said it has a bunch of really nice parts that I can use for other builds. As for the frame, I think I can probably get a couple of bucks for it as scrap metal at the local recycle center. I should probably have them cut it apart with a hacksaw first so no-one else tries to ride it. I’d hate for someone to get injured trying to ride it. The recycle store is closed Monday, so I’ll try to get out there early Tuesday to take care of it.

Anyway, here’s a couple of pics. Any thoughts?
 

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Raging_Bulls":2njyo3ny said:
Scrap the frame along with the seat post and seat.

The parts should go nicely on a certain blue e-stay bike. :wink:

You're right about that, Xavier. The rims have some cool-looking light blue spoke nipples that should go well with that blue SBike you sold me.
 
Rampage":2s307trz said:
What frame is it?

Well, it’s in the shed right now. My eyes aren’t what they used to be, but it looked like it was a Nike or a Nishke or something like that. I think it was built by a guy named Allen because it had his name on a decal near the front, and on another decal further down it said it was designed by another guy named Cunningham.

In any case, I had taken it to a few bike shops over the weekend to see if I could get some advice, and each time I brought it in to show the broken seat-post to those bike shop guys, their jaws dropped open. I told them I wasn’t so sure that much could be done about it, and they all agreed that the best thing was to leave it with them so they could cut it up as it just wasn’t safe for someone to ride it like that. When I said I wasn’t so sure about letting it go just yet, and that I might just hang it on the wall, one of them even tried to insist that I leave it with them, so I guess it’s pretty serious. Those guys seemed pretty concerned, and some of them even offered me a deal on a new bike if I would leave the old bike with them so they could destroy it. They said they were professionals and had a lot of experience cutting up old frames, and they didn’t think I could do it on my own. I almost couldn’t get out of there, and one of those guys even followed me all the way to my car, the whole time trying to convince me it wasn’t safe the way it was.

So after getting pretty much a unanimous opinion on it, I’m sure the best thing is to just destroy it so nobody tries to ride it like that. I can just see someone trying to hold that broken seat post back together and it coming apart at the worst time and severely injuring someone. I know there are some unscrupulous people who might just pass it on to someone who doesn’t know any better, but I couldn’t do that to anybody, so I decided that I’m going to try to destroy it myself rather than wait for the guys at the recycle center to do it.

Anyway, I just spent over an hour in the shed with it trying to cut it with a hacksaw, and I’ll be damned if I didn’t wear out 4 hacksaw blades, and I even broke 2 of them, and I barely scratched the metal! I don’t know who this Allen guy who built it is, but I’ve never seen metal like that before. I was putting my full body weight into it, and I’m beat. It’s weird; it’s like the bike doesn’t want to die! One of the decals said it was Tang tubing, and I think it was “Presto” brand or something like that. I thought Tang just made concentrated drink mix, so I guess I learned something new. In any case, I got my trusty AC grinder out of storage, but I see that I’m out of cutter wheels, so I’ll have to pick some up at the store tomorrow.

It seems a shame to kill it, especially since it seems to be somewhat of a unique design, but I know I’ll be doing the right thing by cutting it up. I’ll post some pics of the dirty deed tomorrow when I get home from work.
 
You'll get that out. Try soaking it a few weeks in Plus Gas or Rost Off Ice then clamp the post in a big old vice and wiggle the frame.

Failing that, the waft of greenbacks is all it'll take for any halfway decent machine shop to machine it out.

That's far from terminal... If you really want it out of there.
 
while no expert i reckon that frame could be saved, the SR TCO seatpost is hard anodised, so any fusing between the steel and the aluminium would perhaps be a lot less than with a bare aluminium tube, i must say i have no understanding of chemistry though.
I have also seen frames with far more corossion that were saveable, the condition of the other parts seem to suggest this also. The pedals have steel screws for the cages and these usually rust if a bike has been left exposed for a long time, as do all the other little steel, nuts botls and screws

did the BB come out ok as this might be a better indicator of how much oxidation and rusting has occurred internally?

if you can get access to a large bench drill thing with a drill bit larger than the internal diameter of the post but less that the tube. i hear the heat and rotational forces are often successful in removing and freein very stuck posts. you could then have the seat tube reamed.

might be worth trying to save it yet
 
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