Name That Frame Decal.....(kona expertise needed)

Retro_Roy

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hi
been doing a fair bit of searching here on the forum with no luck. :oops:
thought i'd make a challenge of it. should be very easy.
it's a very common brand, but looks to be an uncommon decal.
tell me what you think it is.
even better post your pictures of this same decal and tell me what year and model it is.
thanks
roy
 

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1991 hahanna or a 92 cindercone, although the blue and yellow on the decal seem to be on the worng side for the cindy, as i cant find a close up of the 91 hahanna decal i will say that. Although im sure there is some variations in the decals and what colour went where anyway
 
seems the decal was ovalised for 1992 so it may be a 91 fire mountain. the silver headset would also fit if it is original
 

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havent a clue tell you the truth though, i seem to remember that some konas were tbg and some not so it may be earlier 1990 perhaps
 
hi
the bike with the head tube decal in question is the red lavadome pictured
in the above brochure. i too thought that they all had the TBG decal on
the head tube. but is not the case. :shock:
this is why i was asking if anyone else had seen a kona with similar decals.
or do i have the only one ever done this way? :roll: :lol:
where are all the kona experts? :wink:
will add additional picture soon if anyone is interested.
roy
 
1990 was the last model year when Paul Brodie was responsible for painting Kona frames and I assume that this batch of red Lava Domes came towards the end of that, as they were the first Konas with no spatter - I guess it could be that he didn't even paint your frame. I assume that he had been responsible for the design of the colour scheme, decals etc, as it would have been natural to have made use of his talent in that area and certainly all subsequent Konas had a very different look. However it doesn't look as though the K was the work of the new designer, as the Fire Mountain pictured below also has a K but has spatter paint and is otherwise wholly in the earlier style. While the red Lava Dome has the usual TBG decal, and is otherwise in the plainer style of the red Lava Domes. So there isn't any clear pattern and maybe it was just a product of a restless mind at work. You know what these artists are like!

Incidentally, Paul was also responsible for the finishing of the frames, including all braze-ons, and the brake cable guide on the seat tube is typical of his style of work. I guess that does suggest that he was responsible for the frame in the picture, although it still doesn't exclude the possibility that it was painted later and by someone else. But maybe he just got bored with spatter?
 

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hi
thanks for your input anthony.
upon reading your thoughts i had one of my own.
aren't the catalogues usually shot at the beginning
of the model year? or late in the previous one?
if that is the case then the non splatters could have
started early in the year along side the splatter frames.
possibly a run of one then the other.

i have a frame that needs some repairs.
i am planning on running it out to paul to fix
if and when he has the time. maybe i'll run
some of these speculations past him.
he might be able to shed some insight
into the workings back in the day.

anyone else own or have pictures of similarly
decalled konas? or non splatter frames? since
splatter seems to be the norm for this time period
the non splatters are the rarity. do you agree?
thanks
roy
 
Retro_Roy":pr2ninef said:
hi
thanks for your input anthony.
upon reading your thoughts i had one of my own.
aren't the catalogues usually shot at the beginning
of the model year? or late in the previous one?
if that is the case then the non splatters could have
started early in the year along side the splatter frames.
possibly a run of one then the other.

i have a frame that needs some repairs.
i am planning on running it out to paul to fix
if and when he has the time. maybe i'll run
some of these speculations past him.
he might be able to shed some insight
into the workings back in the day.

anyone else own or have pictures of similarly
decalled konas? or non splatter frames? since
splatter seems to be the norm for this time period
the non splatters are the rarity. do you agree?
thanks
roy
Hmmm, I expect Paul might have some full-blooded observations to make if you ask him about those times leading up to the demise of his contract with Jake Heilbron. A case of light the blue paper and stand well back, I should imagine.

I would guess that the 1990 catalogue was shot early in 1989 for publication in the autumn of 89. The Lava Dome pictured in it is a slightly different colour to yours and has different decals, but it has no spatter, unlike the other Kona pictures.

It's quite an extraordinary catalogue altogether, with its inclusion of Brodie bikes, even to the point of showing Joe Murray on a Brodie on the front cover. What other catalogue have you ever seen with another make of bike on the front cover? Paul told me he was quite happy for the catalogue to show both makes, but he was quite surprised because Heilbron never mentioned it to him before it was published. The text kind of gives the impression that Brodie Bikes was part of TBG, which may suggest some ambition on the author's part, whereas Paul says that he saw a Kona as 'a poor man's Brodie'. I somehow doubt whether Heilbron would have put it quite like that!

I look forward to hearing what you come up with.
 
i hope its not impolite to chime in on this thread,
i have a recently purchased 92 kona lava dome with some decaling discrepancies as well. [pic here: http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=220642 ]

i have an ovalized "K" on the headtube but the 'KONA" is missing from the downtube.
in its place is the ovalized "K" and the words "mountain bikes" followed by an american flag.
also present at the bottom of the seat tube is a TBG decal.
[this is why i noticed in this thread about TBG formed to sell Brodie's bikes]
nowhere on the bike does it actually say kona at all, s/n is F1080552
otherwise spec is mirror of the 92 catalog except for the stem [cable goes thru it vertically and it has "DB" embossed on front at handlebar clamp area. [so its been changed out i assume]

again, sorry to intrude

doug
 
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