Modern standards - I need updating!

If you want old standards, rim brakes and narrow tyres, you can buy a top-end frame for peanuts because everyone is desperately selling them to buy disc bikes.

You can barely give them away!

Remember Bike Fit doesn't necessarily give you the right answer - so if you can buy the frame used, even unused, you can try again if the result isn't quite what you wanted.

Worth mentioning the geometry/measurements/etc for said top end frames is likely to be floating around online so should easily be able to compare measurements from a fit to those of the frame and see if it's workable, but as above it doesn't always give you the right answer as fit is obviously very personal - I'm 5'10 and feel best on a 55, good friend of mine same height generally prefers 54's but his favourite was a custom Fondriest that was 53.5, guy on YouTube who's entire career is fitting (bikefit james) is also 5'10 and rides a 52!
 
Yes I will be comparing geometry before I get anything. My position was perfect 20 years ago, and while I can still ride the same bikes no problem, I do get the feeling that I could improve on the position, as things have changed over the years (a few extra kilos, less flexibility, definitely less fitness...)
 
Age:
Saddle height remains constant, but the back shortens as the discs compress, and joints become less happy with stress.
As a rule the bars come up and back towards you with age.
But remember, 10mm is a significant step.

Anyone who does bike fit and proposes a frame 2 full sizes smaller than dealers would recommend is pursuing their own agenda.

Many bike fits are wrong.

I frequently do
"Bike-fit Fix", usually for 10% of the price🤣
 
Anyone who does bike fit and proposes a frame 2 full sizes smaller than dealers would recommend is pursuing their own agenda

Not necessarily. Height as a single metric is a bad way to decide on bike size. As an example, I’m 5’9 and on most manufacturers charts, should be firmly a medium. However, I have an inside leg 2” shorter than normal and a longer body and arm length and need a large.

That said, I’m still pretty sceptical about bike fit. All depends on the training and experience of the fitter and being on the same page goal wise.
 
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