Looking to ID vintage frame from lug type - better pics up!!

[LikeClockwork]

Hi all,

Anyone able to tell me what the name of this lug type is please? Typing 'spear point' into google isn't helping! :facepalm:

Also was it a type used by certain manufacturers....?? Can't help much with other pics of the rest of the bike as it isn't here yet and the other photos I have of it are very nondescript...

Many thanks in advance.

Better pics now taken - see below!!

 

[AntonDartmoor]

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Looks like my 1950's Carpenter, fork shoulders are the same as well.

 

[keithglos]

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I suspect the long point is welded to a standard lug. It suggests early post WW2 when components were scarce.
Head lugs flared to take a loose bearing ring were used on the cheapest bikes, but here is something rather better. Not convinced the forks belong.

More pictures could prove me totally wrong.

Keith

 

[LikeClockwork]

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Cheers chaps! I had thought of Carpenter, but there are some differences as well as similarities with the ones I have found pics of...

It should be here by the end of the week, at which point I will get a load of pics done.

 

[LikeClockwork]

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Frame arrived today!! Looks to be very straight, and is very light too, with some interesting features...
No headbadge holes, but looks to have had an oiler on the BB and head tube.

For those it might help, the frame is 23" and weighs 1872 gms (4.1 lbs) and the forks are A&P stamped, with the number 775 as well, and weigh 913 gms with the headset still on. Can't find a matching number anywhere on the frame, unfortunately....

Hope these better pics will help with an ID, starting to wish it was smaller so I could use it rather than giving it to my old Dad as a Christmas pressie... :facepalm: :xmas-big-grin:

 

[LikeClockwork]

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And here's the forks...

 

[keithglos]

Clearly cast lugs, late 30's to early post war, up to 1950?
Could be Brampton, which were 73 x 71 or possibly Sun 73 x 73, give or take a little tug.

Usually integral bearing housing were used with head clips.

Odd to have brazed on QR mudguard eyes at the back, and forged ends with mudguard eyes on the front. A & P fork column 13 G x 16 G is fairly light.

Clearly someone put a lot of work into the lugs.

Keith

 

[LikeClockwork]

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Brilliant, thank you. It's a mystery, for sure! The seller mentioned that he thought the lugs might be Brampton, but I've only just seen his message saying that...

 

[LikeClockwork]

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Hoping to tinker with this today and have a better hunt for a frame number...

Have trawled the 'net for hours, looked at every 'classic lightweight' manufacturer I can find, and still no closer to finding the same lugs or an idea of the frame's maker :|

 

[Steve s]

Is there any numbers on it, i would check the rear drop outs carefully

I looked at that on the bay and thought is was a replacement fork due to the mudguard stay mounts that are in different positions.
The frame looks just post war to me