Long term unemployed to be asked to give back something
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velomaniac":2rmtcz6t said:
Aside from the dubious morality of enforced labour and military service, have you considered the practicalities?
After how long a period of unemployment would you suggest this sort of conscription be imposed? How long a period of enslavement would be considered appropriate punishment? Would the people who lost their jobs in NHS etc due to conscript labour replacing them, be themselves conscripted back into the very jobs they had been thrown out of?
There are simply not enough jobs to go round. There are currently 5 applicants for every vacancy. The reason for this shortfall can in no way be placed on the shoulders of the unemployed. The people who got us into our current situation are still doing very nicely for themselves. How about forcing those responsible for the problem into the army or to do menial tasks for next to nothing? Is it because the poorest people in our society are an easier target with no ability to resist.
There are no practical social or economic reasons for policies like this, the only way to reduce unemployment is to create more jobs. Forced labour is no substitute.
Well at the risk of being told off,if under the last "government" we had not accepted every other countries economic migrants then maybe there would be jobs for a few more of our own.
Also the rise in university applications and "degree" students etc.has removed the people in society who used to do alot of our manual jobs etc.I know many of these people who have got their degree and will happily sit on the benefit system as the jobs they have been offered are beneath them :roll:
So that means that we had to import alot of labour from other countries to do the work that nobody wants to do.
Also the rise in university applications and "degree" students etc.has removed the people in society who used to do alot of our manual jobs etc.I know many of these people who have got their degree and will happily sit on the benefit system as the jobs they have been offered are beneath them :roll:
So that means that we had to import alot of labour from other countries to do the work that nobody wants to do.
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I guess these measures are aimed at the long term 'Proffesional Doleys' who have chosen to milk the system.
Yes there are many people who have put into the tax system for many years and due to the catastophic mismanagement of the global ecconomy are now jobless, and are no doubt busting a gut to find work, but there is an underclass in this country who when they take unemployment benefit, housing benefit, council tax relief, child support etc are actually 'earning' more than some bloody hardworking people on this very forum.
Some of these people have never had or intended to get a job. These are the people who should be targetted and will be under the new measures. Let them undo some of the damage they do- litter, graffiti, fly tipping etc. If they had anything about them they would be glad of the opportunity to get off their fat arses and muck in, give themselves a little pride and a sense of purpose toward society.
I love giro day in the local post office. Off they trot to the 'Paki shop' for 40 fags, 2 big bottles of Cider and a dozen scratchcards. Not the actions of someone starving to death is it? Put the idle sods to work!
I;m no doubt going to get an ear bashing from all the wishy washy Guardian types now who no doubt have much better ideas on how to lift these people back into worthwhile uses. Personally I'd like to see them sent to Siberia, but thats just me.
Si
I guess these measures are aimed at the long term 'Proffesional Doleys' who have chosen to milk the system.
Yes there are many people who have put into the tax system for many years and due to the catastophic mismanagement of the global ecconomy are now jobless, and are no doubt busting a gut to find work, but there is an underclass in this country who when they take unemployment benefit, housing benefit, council tax relief, child support etc are actually 'earning' more than some bloody hardworking people on this very forum.
Some of these people have never had or intended to get a job. These are the people who should be targetted and will be under the new measures. Let them undo some of the damage they do- litter, graffiti, fly tipping etc. If they had anything about them they would be glad of the opportunity to get off their fat arses and muck in, give themselves a little pride and a sense of purpose toward society.
I love giro day in the local post office. Off they trot to the 'Paki shop' for 40 fags, 2 big bottles of Cider and a dozen scratchcards. Not the actions of someone starving to death is it? Put the idle sods to work!
I;m no doubt going to get an ear bashing from all the wishy washy Guardian types now who no doubt have much better ideas on how to lift these people back into worthwhile uses. Personally I'd like to see them sent to Siberia, but thats just me.
Si
marin man":19r3a9yi said:
Don't know where you are getting your information about the amount of credit taken on by the unemployed but it would be infinitesimal in comparison to the amount of debt built up by the country as a whole. Totally insignificant in relation to our current status of 900 billion (£15,505 for every man, woman and child) national debt and no justification for state conscription of those suffering the most from those debts.
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