Limited Edition GT

[passiflora]

I get the nice rare bling bit's, btw, but any bike can have rare nice bling bits.....

What I'm trying to get at here is surely the heart of the bike is the frame!.

What is so special about this frame that makes it stand out as a limited edition, that is better than the one's sold back in the day.

In my opinion that would be nothing!...btw.

Seems anything with limited edition on it now automaticly costs more, even if it's a tube of toothpaste, which this is


That's not to say I wouldn't have one if it was given to me ^^, but I wouldn't waste money on it

 

[KeepItSteel]

I get the nice rare bling bit's, btw, but any bike can have rare nice bling bits.....
What I'm trying to get at here is surely the heart of the bike is the frame!.
What is so special about this frame that makes it stand out as a limited edition, that is better than the one's sold back in the day.
In my opinion that would be nothing!...btw.
Seems anything with limited edition on it now automaticly costs more, even if it's a tube of toothpaste, which this is

That's not to say I wouldn't have one if it was given to me ^^, but I wouldn't waste money on it

Well to be fair,
It was a limited run of 500 frames.
And , one of the most popular frames ever, which havent been produced (to a high standard) for years now.
Also, it has disc tabs, which of course the original early/mid 90's frames (which this harks back to) didnt. And 100mm corrected geometry.
Essentially, the frame is a faithfull replica of one of the most popular frames ever made, with a modern twist.

Zaskar's are certainly marmite bikes, but to be honest when I first heard about them being re-issued about 4 years ago I got very excited.

Then I saw the price :shock:

Although, Wiggle did end up knocking them out for about £300 a pop in the end, seems the last couple hundred were tough to get rid off.
They each came shipped in a cool wooden crate though, with 2 or 3 spare sets of decals, and a certificate. Nice touch.

Dont forget that the chap selling the GT in question doesnt really appear know an awfull lot about bikes, especially Retro. To alot of my friends, a frame is a frame - to us it's the 'heart' of a build.

I personally think the 'reissue' bikes are a nice idea.
I would be first in line for an 853/Columbus Kona Explosif/Kilauea with all retro'esque parts scattered over it.
I can see the line up now in my LBS... ''Back to 97' The new/old Kona range''

 

[IDB1]

I really like Zaskars.. but mfh's one is (imo) much nicer than the MBUK one..

Ok, it's got some custom ano, paint and engraving but you could get that done on another bike and still have plenty of change from the 4-figure sum that this bike is up for..

I'm fairly sure that MBUK didn't have it built with a view of it becoming an article to be looked at.. and, if they are the cyclists I think they possibly are, would be quite dismayed to know it's being treated as form rather than function.

It's also quite disappointing to read the inference that it hasn't been ridden because it would affect its (perceived) value.

 

[passiflora]

BTW I think I agree Ian, I would one day like to own a Zasker, it's on my list, but, would accept what ever I could get and certainly not pay an a silly ltd edition price.

Seem's the limited edition, was a marketing ploy by GT, would they sell in huge numbers if they where brought back into production?.

Probably not, are they a good bike yes.

BTW, limited edition is just corporate speak, for we are going to charge you more, now how can we justify it.

 

[KeepItSteel]

So what the both of you are really getting at is that you dont like the asking price...
Thats fair enough, it does seem high. But its only an opinion on a perceived value.

You certainly could go out and have parts specially coloured, engraved etc etc, In fact you could go out and create any kind of replica you wanted, but there would also be considerable time and cost constraints and not everyone has the motivation.

As I already mentioned, this guy clearly isnt a biking expert, and at times these prices are a stab in the dark formed by word of mouth. Unless someone really wants it or someone with no idea of market value and a big wallet comes along, then at some point the price will come down, and at some point it will get ridden hard, its just a matter of time.

Also, what do you think this bike would cost should it actually be a new production bike?
I doubt you would get much change from £1200-£1500?
So considering its relative rarity, and the fact that its built from high quality parts, perhaps this asking price isnt too unreasonable?

Of course 'Ltd Edition' is a marketing ploy, but what isnt a marketing ploy these days?
Im just one of the herd, and Id rather have a Ltd Edition over the norm any day of the week (within reason).

Im not having a dig, I just think this bike is like a Transfomer. More than meets the eye!

Oh, and of course a mint original is nicer! Who wouldnt prefer a mint box fresh 1971 Camper Van / 1956 Beetle / 1960's Fiat 500 over the retro re-issues? (apart from the guy who wants more relaibility/speed/comfort)

 

[kaytronika]

If I had the cash I would buy it and ride the arse off of it. Looks like it needs it.

 

[KeepItSteel]

If I had the cash I would buy it and ride the arse off of it. Looks like it needs it.

I heard that alot on a stag night recently...

 

[IDB1]

The price, and my opinion of it, is of little consequence chap.. we all know that anything is worth whatever someone is willing to pay.

I think it's a nice bike but not that nice.. I'm certainly not going to vilify the seller for asking what they think it's worth.

 

[KeepItSteel]

Ok, maybe I misunderstood. you just dont like it.

Again, what do you genuinly think it would be worth as a new bike in your LBS?

I dont like 95% of what I see in my LBS, and I think prices are sky high, but people are obviously still paying.

 

[IDB1]

Still misunderstanding matey. . . I do like it.
As I suspect any GT fan would...

No idea what an LBS would charge, new bike prices are of no interest so I don't keep up with them.. :?