Kona Frame Identification Help please

[LikeClockwork]

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Dunno, I'm falling asleep in my chair here, need to read through it all properly in the morn (day off tomorrow)

Have to say from what little I have read that it looks more likely than I initially thought. Which proves how much I thought I knew.... :facepalm:

See if you can get it apart a bit more and cleaned up, a good shot of the drop outs and what they are marked as will really help. I think.

 

[LikeClockwork]

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Also I'll try and get some measurements and a frame number off my Explosif tomorrow and double check how old it is....

 

[Bullpup]

Thanks very much. Will speak tomorrow.

 

[Muddy paw]

Yep ! and it looks like i was way off the mark too sorry mate :facepalm: ..

 

[al-onestare]

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If it's Kona and it's a big if for me, it's been butchered. The rear canti hanger isn't original or anything I've seen on later Kona's that had them (and they are much lower spec frames than an Explosif).

The stays just don't look right even with the 89/90 Explosif in mind but that could be the crappy respray distracting me.

Can you tell I'm not a fan of this? ;-)

 

[LikeClockwork]

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Well I'm between things at the mo, but I've just had a quick dig out of the Explosif frame, and the first part of the frame number is 'F11072', the rest being obliterated by the powder coating, and it's not got a built in seat post clamp. I'll try and find the verniers later and do some tube measuring, but I think the frame number beginning with a 1 indicates a 91 year manufacture for the 92 model range?

To the best of my knowledge it's an Explosif Pro, and was originally black.

 

[rc200ti]

I started off in the 'No' camp until I realised that what I had taken to be a canti-stop was the remains of the front fixing for the brake cable routing- pipe that adorned the '90 year Konas, and that parts of the rear support arch were visible in the same photo. I think the '91 year Konas ditched this pipe for a plastic channel, which was then dropped for the dog-collar when they also changed from the integral seat tube clamp. No evidence of the removal of braze-on rack mounts so if a Kona it would be either a '90 Cinder Cone or Explosif. With the Anthony thread, frame number etc I now sit firmly in the 'Yes' camp, and look forward to seeing where this thread leads.
Nice forks, by the way.
Rob

 

[Splatter Paint]

Yeah, what he said! 90 Explosif or Cinder Cone. If the frame weighs 2.2kg or thereabouts I expect it is an Explosif.

I started off in the 'No' camp until I realised that what I had taken to be a canti-stop was the remains of the front fixing for the brake cable routing- pipe that adorned the '90 year Konas, and that parts of the rear support arch were visible in the same photo. I think the '91 year Konas ditched this pipe for a plastic channel, which was then dropped for the dog-collar when they also changed from the integral seat tube clamp. No evidence of the removal of braze-on rack mounts so if a Kona it would be either a '90 Cinder Cone or Explosif. With the Anthony thread, frame number etc I now sit firmly in the 'Yes' camp, and look forward to seeing where this thread leads.
Nice forks, by the way.
Rob

 

[one-eyed_jim]

The dimensions of the tapered tubes match Tange Prestige Concept. The Cinder Cone didn't use tapered top- and down-tubes.

http://velobase.com/CatalogScans/Tange_1988.pdf

The butchered cable noodle matches the Explosif shown in the 1991 Kona catalogue:

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2/d/1 ... Inner3.jpg

I think it's a '91 Explosif.

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Uh ... or a '90:

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2/d/12067-2/3.jpg

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[FluffyChicken]

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Before reading the replies (so a not to get swayed, first impressions are T90xxx means a 90/91 model frame mad in the usual Taiwan place many used that place.

It's a Tange Concept tubed frame and has the noodle or remnants of (start weld point and point/brace of the end.)
It also looks very much like one talked about before, think that was modified but differently.

Anyway