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Koga-Miyata (bolted stays) decals - Any ideas???
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That frame is bombproof.
It is for sure a 1991 model. BB section, cable routing and tapered stays are an indication for that. I think it is a model for the Japanese market, because of the paint. Probably an al front triangle, steel tail model.
That frame is bombproof. It is for sure a 1991 model. BB section, cable routing and tapered stays are an indication for that. I think it is a model for the Japanese market, because of the paint. Probably an al front triangle, steel tail model.
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Thanks Miyata Guru!
Hey Elev12k,
Do you suppose this is a Trailrunner? Your frame description in your reply was spot on and the Trailrunner seems to be what you described. You think given the neon green paint that it's a Japanese model, would that be a model not intended for export? Have you heard or do you know of other Japanes specific models?
I have a 1989/1990 Nishiki Alien that Richard Cunningham designed, the one with the elevated chainstays and the Tange Prestige tubing (I also have the previous year's Ariel that R.C. designed without the elevated chainstays)... how would you rank this Miyata as it stands up against the Alien? I ask because the Alien was $1,000.00, it was made in Japan, and is a great bike. Did the Miyata stack up against the Nishiki as far as cost and desirability? I was familiar with their road bikes back then but not their mountain bikes.
Thank you again for taking the time to help!
-D-
Hey Elev12k,
Do you suppose this is a Trailrunner? Your frame description in your reply was spot on and the Trailrunner seems to be what you described. You think given the neon green paint that it's a Japanese model, would that be a model not intended for export? Have you heard or do you know of other Japanes specific models?
I have a 1989/1990 Nishiki Alien that Richard Cunningham designed, the one with the elevated chainstays and the Tange Prestige tubing (I also have the previous year's Ariel that R.C. designed without the elevated chainstays)... how would you rank this Miyata as it stands up against the Alien? I ask because the Alien was $1,000.00, it was made in Japan, and is a great bike. Did the Miyata stack up against the Nishiki as far as cost and desirability? I was familiar with their road bikes back then but not their mountain bikes.
Thank you again for taking the time to help!
-D-
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More details for the Miyata Guru!
Hey again Elev12k,
There is a serial number on the front of the head tube, it reads TK63186. Mine is definitely a bolted and bonded frame... funny thing is the black caution label that's always on the top tube of a new bike is still there but it's in full Japanese. Sadly, the model stickers are gone as are the majority of the MIYATA downtube stickers... on the upside, the "MIYATA Made In Japan" sticker is still on the headtube. I can't wait to tear into it and bring it back to life!
Any chance you know if anyone has any of the Japanese Miyata catalogs?
Thanks again!
-D-
Hey again Elev12k,
There is a serial number on the front of the head tube, it reads TK63186. Mine is definitely a bolted and bonded frame... funny thing is the black caution label that's always on the top tube of a new bike is still there but it's in full Japanese. Sadly, the model stickers are gone as are the majority of the MIYATA downtube stickers... on the upside, the "MIYATA Made In Japan" sticker is still on the headtube. I can't wait to tear into it and bring it back to life!
Any chance you know if anyone has any of the Japanese Miyata catalogs?
Thanks again!
-D-
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Are these the online one's you used ?
http://www.miyatacatalogs.com/
I think the 'T' at the start in Miyata speak means it's a made in 1991 frame..
I say made, it could be model. Most use Made in Year (so 1991 could be 1991 or 1992 model year.
Elev12k will know.
MIYATA BICYCLES SERIAL NUMBERS
I figured out all the serial numbers for Miyata Bicycles Made in Japan Since 1972, according with the first letter on the serial number.
A 1972 B 1973 C1974 D1975 E1076 F 1977 G 1978 H 1979 I 1980 J 1981 K 1982 L 1983
M 1984 N 1985 O 1986 P 1987 Q 1998 R 1989 S 1990 T 1991 U 1992 V 1993 W 1994 X 1995
Y 1996 Z 1997
Note: In August 25 2001 I received a Letter from Mr.Isao Kamei informing that all the Miyata Bicycles that used to be manufactured in Japan now are made in Taiwan and China.
Best regards,
Hernan P.Burgos
www.miyatacatalogs.com
www.nanoburgos.com
http://www.miyatacatalogs.com/
I think the 'T' at the start in Miyata speak means it's a made in 1991 frame..
I say made, it could be model. Most use Made in Year (so 1991 could be 1991 or 1992 model year.
Elev12k will know.
MIYATA BICYCLES SERIAL NUMBERS
I figured out all the serial numbers for Miyata Bicycles Made in Japan Since 1972, according with the first letter on the serial number.
A 1972 B 1973 C1974 D1975 E1076 F 1977 G 1978 H 1979 I 1980 J 1981 K 1982 L 1983
M 1984 N 1985 O 1986 P 1987 Q 1998 R 1989 S 1990 T 1991 U 1992 V 1993 W 1994 X 1995
Y 1996 Z 1997
Note: In August 25 2001 I received a Letter from Mr.Isao Kamei informing that all the Miyata Bicycles that used to be manufactured in Japan now are made in Taiwan and China.
Best regards,
Hernan P.Burgos
www.miyatacatalogs.com
www.nanoburgos.com
Re: Thanks Miyata Guru!
Probably for the domestic Japanese market and some more markets in the region, including possibly Australia. The busy neon paint I often encountered on Japanese Miyatas of that era. Example of a RidgeRunner of the same year >>
This frame has an aluminum tail, so that your frame is a TrailRunner sounds plausible. The RidgeRunner was a step up.
I do not know the Nishiki Alien very well, but I don't think you can compared them 1 on 1. I think the Nishiki was a top of the line model, while your frame sat more on the bottom of the bonded Miyata frames: Miyata offered them with carbon in front triangle and carbon or al for tail too. Finishing was 1st rate however, as you can expect with Miyata.
I have never heard of a Miyata bonded MTB frame of this generation coming apart. I know a guy who used it for trial purposes. He broke Zaskars, but not this one (carbon f/steel r). In the end he prefered the Zaskar however, because it made tricks so much easier.
neo_pop_71":zvfstvtc said:
Probably for the domestic Japanese market and some more markets in the region, including possibly Australia. The busy neon paint I often encountered on Japanese Miyatas of that era. Example of a RidgeRunner of the same year >>
This frame has an aluminum tail, so that your frame is a TrailRunner sounds plausible. The RidgeRunner was a step up.
I do not know the Nishiki Alien very well, but I don't think you can compared them 1 on 1. I think the Nishiki was a top of the line model, while your frame sat more on the bottom of the bonded Miyata frames: Miyata offered them with carbon in front triangle and carbon or al for tail too. Finishing was 1st rate however, as you can expect with Miyata.
I have never heard of a Miyata bonded MTB frame of this generation coming apart. I know a guy who used it for trial purposes. He broke Zaskars, but not this one (carbon f/steel r). In the end he prefered the Zaskar however, because it made tricks so much easier.
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Great help, thanks!
I've always been so impressed by the willingness to help and the promptness of the replies on this forum... you guys are great! Thank you for the answers to my questions.
For now, I'm going to hit the trail and have some fun with this bike, assuming the parts hold up. My next question has to do with restoration, has anyone stripped and restored one of these bolt/bond Miyatas? It's a given that chemical stripping is out. So, sandblast or mediablast would be the way to go, any thoughts on what to avoid? With that in mind, would you go with paint or powdercoating?
I'm not concerned with being period correct, I guess I'm more looking to customizing the bike and not restoring the bike. Any thoughts or suggestions? That satin black Koga-Miyata in the gallery looks great, a bit wicked but the uniqueness of the frames holds its own and can pull that off. I did see there was a set of repop decals on Ebay from that seller in Australia but they are a Koga-Miyata decal set and they cost $45.00.
Thanks again for the input and I look forward to hearing what else you have to offer!
-D-
I've always been so impressed by the willingness to help and the promptness of the replies on this forum... you guys are great! Thank you for the answers to my questions.
For now, I'm going to hit the trail and have some fun with this bike, assuming the parts hold up. My next question has to do with restoration, has anyone stripped and restored one of these bolt/bond Miyatas? It's a given that chemical stripping is out. So, sandblast or mediablast would be the way to go, any thoughts on what to avoid? With that in mind, would you go with paint or powdercoating?
I'm not concerned with being period correct, I guess I'm more looking to customizing the bike and not restoring the bike. Any thoughts or suggestions? That satin black Koga-Miyata in the gallery looks great, a bit wicked but the uniqueness of the frames holds its own and can pull that off. I did see there was a set of repop decals on Ebay from that seller in Australia but they are a Koga-Miyata decal set and they cost $45.00.
Thanks again for the input and I look forward to hearing what else you have to offer!
-D-
I have no experience with cleaning a bonded frame from paint. I would avoid anything with heat and chemicals I think. That includes powder coating.
"satin black Koga"
this one?
It has carbon tubing in front triangle and a Hardtlite steel tail.
"satin black Koga"
this one?
It has carbon tubing in front triangle and a Hardtlite steel tail.
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Beautiful!!!
Yes, that's the one I recall seeing... that ranks up there as one of the slickest bikes I've even seen! I wish mine looked like that!!! I know that Koga-Miyata has the carbon tubes and is leaps and bounds nicer than my entry level bike but I'm still a proud owner... seeing that one motivates me to get busy fixing mine up!
By the way, based on the era and if you had to guess, what model do you think my Miyata is? Is it a Trail Runner? My frame has the "unbraced" chainstays that I read about but I'm not too sure what other details I should be looking for as far as being 1st or 2nd generation bolt/bond frame.
Thanks again!
-D-
Yes, that's the one I recall seeing... that ranks up there as one of the slickest bikes I've even seen! I wish mine looked like that!!! I know that Koga-Miyata has the carbon tubes and is leaps and bounds nicer than my entry level bike but I'm still a proud owner... seeing that one motivates me to get busy fixing mine up!
By the way, based on the era and if you had to guess, what model do you think my Miyata is? Is it a Trail Runner? My frame has the "unbraced" chainstays that I read about but I'm not too sure what other details I should be looking for as far as being 1st or 2nd generation bolt/bond frame.
Thanks again!
-D-
