Housing/ council tax benefits

[IDB1]

This guy is honest about not working.

He should be penalised unless he can prove that working is financially detrimental to the point of affecting his ability to exist

wonder how many otherare like him.

Imo, less than the media would have us believe but quite a lot none the less..


Some of the changes sound great.. a cap of £26k a year (not quite sure how this will work, there are laws about income/situation), under-occupied tenants being dealt with and assistance for people to find work..

But I still fail to see how they could guarantee that a family would be better of in work than reliant on the state without cutting their money which would be illegal.

When I was working, beer and cigs aside (but including food), it cost me in excess of £150/week to go to work.. that's nearly £12k/year taking into account tax and N.I.... if my (rough) calculations are correct..
Add another £100/week for beer and cigs (nothing to do during breaks in SW London and high stress job) and that's a massive chunk out of the salary...

 

[lumos2000]

agencies really piss me off, the average wage has gone down because they take their cut. where i used to work have pushed out all the full time workers in favour of agency workers keeping them on agency for years, when i started it was 3 months then you get a contract. now they keep workers on for 3 years lay them off then take them on again. plus the agency they use advertise outside the uk and are run by polish staff. i have nothing against them as i think its the british that are to blame for the situation were in.
ive also seen the other side of the story. my wife has a small business and has tryed to find staff that want to work but it seems most people out there dont want to and i have to say the majority are the english. the last guy demanded a pay rise after the first week then left. employers are scared of giving contracts to people as the law gives them so many rights over the employer, agency staff are a safe option.
we needed some building work done when she started, we got 3 quotes. one from a friend in the trade, one from a small local builder and one from a polish guy. my friend dident bother to turn up to look at the job, the local builder said he could do in it in 3 weeks time and it would take 2 weeks. the polish guy said hes would have it done in a week and for half the price. and a bloddy good job he did too.
ive been looking for work for 6 months now and had no luck, ive got a job interview next week and if i dont get that im going to work with my wife.
she teaches english to foreign workers.

 

[Russell]

employers are scared of giving contracts to people as the law gives them so many rights over the employer

Actually, a savvy employer with a well worded contract has pretty much got their employees over a barrel.

 

[lumos2000]

employers are scared of giving contracts to people as the law gives them so many rights over the employer

Actually, a savvy employer with a well worded contract has pretty much got their employees over a barrel.

but inexperanced small bussines owners can be run into the ground over night by employment law

 

[Russell]

employers are scared of giving contracts to people as the law gives them so many rights over the employer

Actually, a savvy employer with a well worded contract has pretty much got their employees over a barrel.

but inexperanced small bussines owners can be run into the ground over night by employment law

Anybody that goes into business and employs people without preparing proper, well-worded contracts probably deserves to be run into the ground. That's not inexperience, its stupidity.

 

[Neil]

employers are scared of giving contracts to people as the law gives them so many rights over the employer

Actually, a savvy employer with a well worded contract has pretty much got their employees over a barrel.

but inexperanced small bussines owners can be run into the ground over night by employment law

I've seen that point made a few times before, recently - normally citing other countries with much more relaxed take on employment law.

And I have to say, I'm not buying it as progress.

I get that there are penalties with lack of scale, but all the same, I don't buy the answer is to abandon progress.

 

[lumos2000]

so your saying trying to make it on your own doing somthing you love has no place in this society, unless you study law too. no wonder this country is a shit situation.

 

[Neil]

so your saying trying to make it on your own doing somthing you love has no place in this society, unless you study law too.

No - not personally, that's not what I'm saying.

That said, I'm not sure it's beyond the resources of most small business to perhaps pay for legal advice on any contractual documents they use.

no wonder this country is a shit situation.

The country may well have all sorts of problems, but I doubt most can be ascribed to the state of employment law <shrug>

 

[Russell]

so your saying trying to make it on your own doing somthing you love has no place in this society, unless you study law too. no wonder this country is a shit situation.

No, I'm saying that if you are passionate enough about your business to make a success of it and successful enough to be in a position to employ somebody then you should probably have the brains to realise that you need to have proper precautions in place (of which a well worded, all encompassing contract is one) to cover your arse should your employees decide to try to take you to the cleaners for whatever reason.

You don't need to study law to appreciate that.

 

[lumos2000]

dont get me wrong i think your both right, its not the employment law thats the problem its the attitude of people. everyone seems to think they can get a free ride and will stab each other in the back for a quick buck.
what ever happend to a fair days work for a fair days pay. somthing i think this country has lost.