Housing/ council tax benefits

Has anyone else noticed the rise of the recruitment agency, a situation where the employer and the agency definately benefit and the worker less so. The agency promise of always work often is not the case and of many of those whom I know to be long term unemployed, they have also had their fill of recruitment agencies.

You see, I perceieve a situation occurring in this country, where the employed are being treated apallingly and of the government schemes to get people back to work, well many employers are abusing the system, they take what they can of the cheap labour, and government incentives whilst they exist and when they stop, instead of offerring the worker continued work, they find them surplus to requirements and chuck them back on the dole. Does anyone not think this is having a detrimental effect on workers ?

Further to that, is the perception that some employers no longer want a workforce, for it seems having a workforce, is too much hassle and of those that do have work forces they know every trick in the book to negate their responsibilities to their workforce, like in my case being made redundant six working hours before I had completed two years work, obviously to avoid redundancy payments, however meagre they would be given my time with that blue chip company. Even the job centre said that was a dirty trick, but sadly, it is becoming more and more common, that and terminating employment after probationary periods on reduced wages.

So, I am of the thinking that this country actively promotes abuse of employees and would be employees, it actually creates systems where people can be abused under the term 'help' and of course massaging the all important unemployment figures, as unemployment figures are a measure used to define governments and they know it, so schemes and more scheming is the order of the day, when the reality is the UK's requirement for a work force is diminishing, yet we have a large population which needs to live and for it to live, jobs are needed, otherwise the alternative is government hand outs.

It's not so much government though, it should not be their responsibility to ensure people find employment, but the fault is that of industry, for what we had when the UK was most influential in the world has now gone with that once held presence, what we had required a large work force, now it has gone, we still have a large work force, so what's the answer, perhaps a slimming down of the population, but even that is fraught with consequences. The bottom line I believe, is to get back much of what has been lost, as this country cannot be prosperous with a disheartened and unemployed work force.

Myself, twenty odd years of continued industrial employment, I even used to think it bad of me to take days off sick and in those twenty years of employment I had taken exactly ten days off sick in that time. I used to have the belief, that once a job was got, hang onto it with finger nails if one has to and take whatever abuses were thrown at one, as having a job was the most important thing in life for a male adult. That attitude created by the 1980,s employment situation in the North West of England where in my locale it was 25 % unemployment and riots on the streets.

Benefits, government hand outs was a dirty notion to me, after a very brief experience of the old type of unemployment system, where the term ub40 became and anchor around one's neck, a dirty word as with it one was considered unclean. I was not going to put myself through that ever again, so work doing whatever, for whatever I could get was the order of the day.

As long term unemloyed, I do realise what my problem is, and it is the very same for many of those who are in a similar position, we are totally demoralised, been screwed around too much and, there really is not much hope, unless there is a vast industrial change in this country, as being taught history of our nation has one distinct disadvantage, it enables the comparison between the now and the past, in living memory. and in that living memory, many who are now long term unemployed had work and were valued as part of a work force.

Housing and council tax benefits, well, without a decent income coming in, what option is there, people have to live, the economy has to be kept going, as benefits stimulate the economy and by that, the scroungers are doing their bit with their fags and beer.

But, we are all locked into a self perpetuating system which actually creates work. For that system to work, people have to be kept in the system, the unemployed are necessary, because they necessitate the employment of others, and of course provide successive governments with a butt to whip as the reason why they continulally fail to live up to their electioneering promises.
 
Very interesting, and very well put...........

I really think that the UK is far too small for all the people comming in at the moment, not to mention all the teenage births and people living longer..............it's basic economics..........capacity ..........too many workers from away are sending too much money back to their own countries(understandable)..............if they spend it all here great, help keep our economy going. But do we really need so many workers from away ? We should sort our lot out 1st surely ?

I know a lot of agencies who have UK peeps on their books but give most of the work out to European workers.........are UK workers really that lazy and usless that they get put to the back of the pile ?
 
greenstiles":3nn06jjl said:
But do we really need so many workers from away ? We should sort our lot out 1st surely ?

I know a lot of agencies who have UK peeps on their books but give most of the work out to European workers.........are UK workers really that lazy and usless that they get put to the back of the pile ?

Contrary to popular (mis?)conception, the immigrant workers are alleged to work their metaphorical balls off and not moan very much..
The fact that they don't have too hard a time scoring jobs would indicate that (generalising greatly) the same can't be said of the indigenous workforce.. .. ..
 
greenstiles":3cowcopn said:
I know a lot of agencies who have UK peeps on their books but give most of the work out to European workers.........are UK workers really that lazy and usless that they get put to the back of the pile ?

I use agencies a fair amount as the sort of work I do needs extra temporary labour when required (I'm a fairly specialized gardener (green roofer), our work is all around the country and we need to be flexible). Over the years we've used a number of different agency workers and the quality as varied from working their arses off and me seriously considering taking them on, to not turning up at all, and finding every excuse in the book for there laziness/general lack of organisation. I've also had a bloke look like he was nearly in tears because he missed the induction on one site so he couldn't work that day - I gave him the benefit of the doubt so he could turn up the next day and he never showed!!!!

The way I see it if a company bases their workforce on agency staff it needs to understand that the people coming through are reliable in being unreliable!!! You get some great people as well as some awful ones (if they turn up!!) You can also turnover bad staff til you get the good ones a whole lot easier with agency staff.

I'm not sure of the process of claiming the dole but I'm sure a fair few people join agencies so they can be supposedly actively seeking work and have no intention of doing either i.e. finding work or doing work!
 
How do we sort this out ?..............it seems a little a little childish if our goverment just said '' oh our lot won't work , bring people in cos our £ turned to they money will make them flock here''.....................why couldn't they have said a while back '' i know lets get our lot off the dole and do all the jobs that are out there, training, education, decent wage to fit the local economy etc.........................instead of now too little too late '' oh perhaps we should sort out the benefit system ?.........................usually governments do things that benefit them..............would someone please enlighten me as to what they are getting out of it all.

ps. only had 2 days work this week due to cutbacks.....that's why i've got time to winge .....just befor xmas was 5 days a week all the time.
 
The only way they can do it, is by making it more worthwhile to work than being on benefits.....

And support those finding work rather than just giving them cash....

It's a can of worms!!!!
 
Agreed :D there used to be really good re-training agencies i sat my ECDL in one.but cut backs seem to have shrunken them......... :cry:
 
Biggest problem with the benefits system is that it is open to abuse.. and, if the media is to be believed, it's not that hard to fiddle it either..

I find it quite frustrating on benefits, but I'm rarely bored... nor am I lazy but, when a DWP worker tells you to tell your partner to quit her full-time job because it's not (financially) worth it, there's something wrong (and that was 2003)..

I don't see how the government can guarantee that people are better off in employment than on benefits in every case.
 
yes system abuse too easy.....working tax credits are weird too..........sometimes you'll get a lot due to previous work......while others will not even though at the same time they might be on the same low wage because of their previous earnings..........surely the basic amount to live on should be the same for all.

I have a mate who after years of planned unemployment now does a few hours a week counting lap dances (so they don't fiddle) so the dole don't hassle him and he gets his rent n c. tax paid..........and works a bit on the side..........he have quite a life i can tell you :shock:
 
This guy is honest about not working............wonder how many otherare like him.........is it that he's just had a bad experience ? I know it can be tough working in a placeyou don't like, it happend to me.....nearly lost the plot with stress..........but i like my current job......if only they would give me more.................anyway listen to this guy :shock:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12498529
 
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