Help identifying 60's(?) Holdsworth(?) frame

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robmowbray":3jwyik7s said:
The rear hanger is an original brazed on feature of the frameset. I'm still going through boxes of parts & this appears to be the right fixing, but as I haven't unearthed the (Universal 61) brakes yet, I can't test it

If you can't find any in the box, I have a descent pair I'd be willing to sell. PM me if you are interested.

Also some Universal 61 levers to go with, they are suposed to look like the picture below, but unfortunatly don't have the gum hoods anymore.

Not sure if anyone on here has any replacement hoods, but I found these for sale on the Italian e-bay;

Universal hoods
 

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robmowbray

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CBguy":2fmxfown said:
I agree I'd call this a definite shop built stock late 1967 frame. As stated, in letter from Kilgariff to Dave Benson re his Italia, stock (K) frames were usually built by builders other than Collard. Also per Kilgariff site for 1967 - "...Italia tourers will also be built, generally for stock". Wonder how your Dad used frame - touring, racing, both?

Hard to fathom why frame originally would have only had a single rear dropout fender eyelet -strongly suggests must have been +/-alteration(s) at some point.

Re lugs: it would be my observation from looking at shop built frames that lugs used for particular models were fairly random as opposed to factory built models that had a consistent lug type.

Doug

Thanks for the message Doug. My father used the bike for commuting from Welling and later Puley to the various Metropolitan police stations (Kennington, Brixton, Wimbledon, Earlsfied & Hendon) he was posted to in his 30 year police career. The 20+ mile treck across London to Hendon could be particularly grim.
 

robmowbray

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PeachyPM":qhkc80vh said:
robmowbray":qhkc80vh said:
The rear hanger is an original brazed on feature of the frameset. I'm still going through boxes of parts & this appears to be the right fixing, but as I haven't unearthed the (Universal 61) brakes yet, I can't test it

If you can't find any in the box, I have a descent pair I'd be willing to sell. PM me if you are interested.

Also some Universal 61 levers to go with, they are suposed to look like the picture below, but unfortunatly don't have the gum hoods anymore.

Not sure if anyone on here has any replacement hoods, but I found these for sale on the Italian e-bay;

Universal hoods

I'm still digging away in the garage. I unearthed a brand new, boxed chain and two new 5 speed cassettes the other day. I did find a small bag containing a single centre pull cable clip. The clip is branded Wienmann but I don't know what version he might have had. I do have the levers but the rubber shrouds have perished.
 

robmowbray

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keithglos":3noek9ys said:
Is that the quick release from Weinmann center pull front hanger?
Looks like its cut off from the part that goes on the head set, and brazed on.

Keith

I think you're right. While sorting through my dads garage I can across a couple of Weinmann cable clips. No sign of the brakes (although I've got the leavers/cables and a card of rubber pads). What Weinmann model do you think may have been fitted, in case I need to source replacements?
 

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robmowbray":1j8m02rk said:
Can anyone help to identify my late fathers old Holdsworth(?) frame model and age?

My father bought the frame second hand in the late 1960’s / early 1970’s and had it stove enamled and fitted with custom made wheels and Campagnolo/Huret parts.

My dad was 6’+, so the game is quite large - 24” (down tube), 23.5 (top tube).

The stamped serial no. is 67138K appears on the bottom bracket and front forks. The BB also has '3' stamped on the opposite side. I haven't been able to match this number to any database that might shed light on its origins.

The lugs are quite distinctive with long spearpoints and a cut-away ‘D’ profile. The wrap over stays and the traces of chrome beneath the paintwork on the drop-outs and bottom portions of the rear stays and front forks made me suspected it might be a Mistral/Super Mistral. However, when I've compared the profile of the lugs and the rear centre-pull brake hanger it doesn't appear to match the standard format. Might this be a 1960's customised 'shop frame' ?

The bike was decommisioned by my father in the early 80's and stored it in the garage. I came across the frame and various boxes of parts after his recent death and would like to see if I could resore it to its former glory. Any advice about its possible origins greatly appreciated.

I have a similar Frameset, a 1967 "K" designation. Twenty #'s earlier than yours. Mine doesn't have any of the downtube brazeons (what are they for?). And the rear brake hanger is totally different.
 

robmowbray

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I have a similar Frameset, a 1967 "K" designation. Twenty #'s earlier than yours. Mine doesn't have any of the downtube brazeons (what are they for?). And the rear brake hanger is totally different.

The downtube lugs are runners for the front/rear derailleur cables. The bike had end of bar Campag gear shifters. The rear brake hanger appears to be designed for Wiemann, centre pull quick release system.

Since the original posting I've managed to discover quite a bit of provenance of these frames, including when, where and who built them.

I'm still sifting through boxes hoping to unearth bottom bracket parts, chainset, pedals, headset parts and brakes. I'm about to get the frame re chromed/sprayed.
 
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