http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12334486
haveing had a result with my phone cam, i think its a good idea
haveing had a result with my phone cam, i think its a good idea
helmet cam justice
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I want every aerosole driver to start thinking we're packing helmet cams. 
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Ideas open to abuse, helmet cam gives riders veiwpoint not everything else happening on the road. A rider with a point to prove could easily use blinkered helmet can perspective to their advantage. I've seen loads of idiot drivers but I've also seen loads of idiot cyclists. More CCTV cameras makes more sense to get the bigger picture and a more unbiased veiw. Afterall whats to stop car drivers getting cams and showing us in a bad light :roll:
lumos2000":2kqrwi7h said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12334486
haveing had a result with my phone cam, i think its a good idea
Spotted this story yesterday, got quite riled by the ill-informed muppets in the comments section though; yet again it seems not all of Joe Public knows the difference between Road Fund Licence/Road Tax (abolished nearly 75 years ago!!) and Vehicle Excise Duty. The latter does NOT give a motor vehicle automatic right of precedence on public roads! Getting pretty sick of the cloth-brained "you don't pay road tax" contingent.... :evil:
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I read a fair bit of the comments on the BBC page, last night, and I have to say - I think cyclists have a lot to protect - they are probably most at risk, compared with the risks to other road users (pedestrians or vehicle drivers).
That said, I think many don't help their / our cause.
The perspective of "I am traffic" I fully support - but then I'm a cyclist, pedestrian and driver. What you have to say, though, is that many - at least who were interested enough to comment, don't see cyclists with quite the same equity.
How much of that is simply how society has evolved, how motorists and pedestrians are treated, how road design and layout affects users. All the same, something is failing, if so many who respond, aren't fundamentally appalled by how the van driver dealt with that.
And with that in mind, there seems to be an awful uphill struggle to get other road users to see things from a cyclist's perspective.
My own contribution to that? I try and drive and give cyclists as much room and respect as I can when driving - both as an example to anybody in the car, and hopefully to other vehicles around. What goes wrong with that? Well with the family in the car, whilst waiting to turn left on a minor road, two cyclists who then approached from the rear, also wanting to take the same left hand turn, the one on the outside of the pair (to my nsr) banged on the rear window (purposely), because he was struggling to stay in his clipless pedals, and my stationary car was apparently not giving him sufficient room to track stand, with his oppo between him and the kerb. That scared the beejesus out of my 5 year old, who was behind the window at the time.
I'd already passed both twice on the road leading up to this - and always make sure to give plenty of room, in fact it's one of the things I try and instill in my wife when she's driving.
I actually stopped very shortly after this (was parking, anyway) and quickly got out (not aggressively, I might add - not shouting or looking for a fight - just wanted to talk about what had just happened) but both cyclists apparently weren't sufficiently interested in cycling a further twenty feet or so to discuss their issues (they turned off on a mini-roundabout about 20 or 30 feet from me) - which struck me as very odd, given such previous forthright behaviour.
How do you think that sort of behaviour from cyclists affects the rest of the family - when I'm already trying to do my best to make them aware and considerate of cyclists on the road?
I know as a cyclist I'm vulnerable on the road, and I'm not an apologist or of the view that cyclists should have to behave either meekly or fearfully. All the same, though, cyclists are much more vulnerable, appear (in general) to be not particularly well thought of.
If we as cyclists want to get better treatment from other road users, we need to put our house in order - listen to the criticisms (accepting some are bobbins), take them on board, and be better.
When we're cycling we need to show awareness and consideration around other road users - so not scaring pedestrians, not ploughing on through red lights, regardless, not cycling 2 or more abreast where it's not really on, and not getting stroppy because you want to stay in your pedals ignoring all around you.
When we're driving we need to set a good example around cyclists (I'm ever hopeful that me always giving cyclists plenty of room, doesn't go unnoticed by other drivers). When we're passengers, we need to speak to whoever is driving if we don't think enough space / respect is being given to cyclists.
There's no true high ground, here. There's awful drivers, awful cyclists, awful pedestrians. And likewise, there's good in many too. However, what there clearly is, is divisiveness - I feel it's only going to get bridged by listening, realising who's got most to lose - and that's going to be difficult to convey or be of interest in those that never cycle - and trying to set a / lead by good example - rather than the normal finger pointing, and assumed moral superiority.
That said, I think many don't help their / our cause.
The perspective of "I am traffic" I fully support - but then I'm a cyclist, pedestrian and driver. What you have to say, though, is that many - at least who were interested enough to comment, don't see cyclists with quite the same equity.
How much of that is simply how society has evolved, how motorists and pedestrians are treated, how road design and layout affects users. All the same, something is failing, if so many who respond, aren't fundamentally appalled by how the van driver dealt with that.
And with that in mind, there seems to be an awful uphill struggle to get other road users to see things from a cyclist's perspective.
My own contribution to that? I try and drive and give cyclists as much room and respect as I can when driving - both as an example to anybody in the car, and hopefully to other vehicles around. What goes wrong with that? Well with the family in the car, whilst waiting to turn left on a minor road, two cyclists who then approached from the rear, also wanting to take the same left hand turn, the one on the outside of the pair (to my nsr) banged on the rear window (purposely), because he was struggling to stay in his clipless pedals, and my stationary car was apparently not giving him sufficient room to track stand, with his oppo between him and the kerb. That scared the beejesus out of my 5 year old, who was behind the window at the time.
I'd already passed both twice on the road leading up to this - and always make sure to give plenty of room, in fact it's one of the things I try and instill in my wife when she's driving.
I actually stopped very shortly after this (was parking, anyway) and quickly got out (not aggressively, I might add - not shouting or looking for a fight - just wanted to talk about what had just happened) but both cyclists apparently weren't sufficiently interested in cycling a further twenty feet or so to discuss their issues (they turned off on a mini-roundabout about 20 or 30 feet from me) - which struck me as very odd, given such previous forthright behaviour.
How do you think that sort of behaviour from cyclists affects the rest of the family - when I'm already trying to do my best to make them aware and considerate of cyclists on the road?
I know as a cyclist I'm vulnerable on the road, and I'm not an apologist or of the view that cyclists should have to behave either meekly or fearfully. All the same, though, cyclists are much more vulnerable, appear (in general) to be not particularly well thought of.
If we as cyclists want to get better treatment from other road users, we need to put our house in order - listen to the criticisms (accepting some are bobbins), take them on board, and be better.
When we're cycling we need to show awareness and consideration around other road users - so not scaring pedestrians, not ploughing on through red lights, regardless, not cycling 2 or more abreast where it's not really on, and not getting stroppy because you want to stay in your pedals ignoring all around you.
When we're driving we need to set a good example around cyclists (I'm ever hopeful that me always giving cyclists plenty of room, doesn't go unnoticed by other drivers). When we're passengers, we need to speak to whoever is driving if we don't think enough space / respect is being given to cyclists.
There's no true high ground, here. There's awful drivers, awful cyclists, awful pedestrians. And likewise, there's good in many too. However, what there clearly is, is divisiveness - I feel it's only going to get bridged by listening, realising who's got most to lose - and that's going to be difficult to convey or be of interest in those that never cycle - and trying to set a / lead by good example - rather than the normal finger pointing, and assumed moral superiority.
^^^^ a lot of sense written there.
Having watched the clip I can't believe the cyclist didn't hang back after the first near collision coming up to the junction. The incident isn't his fault but having been nearly knocked off I'd think twice about getting level with the van again. Cyclist vs van aren't the best odds.
Having watched the clip I can't believe the cyclist didn't hang back after the first near collision coming up to the junction. The incident isn't his fault but having been nearly knocked off I'd think twice about getting level with the van again. Cyclist vs van aren't the best odds.
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