Fox Hunting Prosecution

[M-Power]

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I like foxes too. They are important predators and scavengers in the food chain. However, I question the so called 'clinical methods' used. People are far too sanitized these days. They are unable to process 'real outrage' against justifying events, as featured recently in the National News and like I mentioned in my earlier deleted post, so instead displacement 'outrage' becomes the new focus. Its very much a first world issue.

 

[KDM]

I find Halal a bigger worry for me than foxes. Sadly when you think foxes you also think sabs who I find more people have an issue with than the foxes being killed.

Many objectors of hunting/countryside and nature have a notting hill skewed view of nature and it's management. Personally I'd rather see no fox hunting but I know that more foxes die by cars than ever by hunting and yet we never ban cars

 

[RobMac]

Personally I'd rather see no fox hunting but I know that more foxes die by cars than ever by hunting and yet we never ban cars

Cars don't go around in packs searching the country side for foxes and then deliberately running them down for sport.

 

[KDM]

I wonder, much of what you say appears to be emotive rather than factual. Would you happen to have this years, last years or the years before's figures on the amount yearly of foxes killed by hunts? Just interested

 

[elPedro666]

I think there is a clear distinction here between culling for legitimate reasons (stock health, population control etc) by the most humane means available, and slowly torturing a creature to death in the name of 'sport'.

Killing for pleasure is not a concept I find easy to reconcile with a healthy mental state.

 

[KDM]

Perhaps you missed for some reason where I said "Personally I'd rather see no fox hunting "

I asked for figures because in today's social media world, it seems those who shout the loudest on the internet seem to be impervious to facts so I was asking what are the figures and not the emotives to establish is it widespread and whether it is or not, what are the figures? I have to say the emotive seems larger than the actual event.

Should they have had a free vote I suspect most people like me, would approach their mp asking what his opinion was and conveying mine that it really is a thing of the past. I believe that ipsos did a poll late last year where 84% of people polled said they would wish for the ban to remain, as it should.

When you feel you have a moral argument, you often have to have a factual one to back it up. My point was that there seems to be more emotive than factual events so simply I asked, what figures do you have to support it, is it as widespread as some would have you believe, or is it really so small that much of the objections are hype and not facts?

 

[mk one]

To me it seems straightforward, killing an animal for food is life, for any other reason, and that includes culling (I'm sure the animals would be fine if we were not around) it is wrong. Nature stops being so when man decides to control it.

 

[KDM]

Nature stops being so when man decides to control it.

The same argument could be made by vegans against meat eaters. Don't get me wrong, the claim that dogs are trained to catch the fox by the neck is a correct one, only however if you are using one dog, use a pack and yes they do tear it apart. It has been illegal for many years now so if you do it, get caught and prosecuted then you deserve it but again, is it wide scale as some would have you believe or is it a very very small pin amount?

Best place I thought to look were countryfile, rspca etc and they seemed to be unable to provide almost any figures so I went to the anti side if you will, the league against cruel sports, surely if anyone has figures it will be them?

https://www.league.org.uk/fox-hunting not one figure on the amount of foxes killed by hunts, a lot of emotive suggestions such as it is claimed, it is suspected, some may claim but very little facts. One thing that did stand out was at the bottom

HOW CAN I HELP STOP FOX HUNTING?

Contact your MP and ask them to urge their party to keep and strengthen the foxhunting ban
Join one of our supporter groups to help us raise awareness that fox hunting still takes place
Share this page on your social media

DONATE TODAY JOIN THE LEAGUE

With no facts and figures and almost all of their text found to be emotive it finishes with join us and donate and that is why I feel most of the argument is emotive based on the very few but hidden to ensure donations keep coming in. page 23 but 37 as a pdf page gives you some idea of the monies raised by emotive very few facts charities

file:///home/chronos/u-67a9172338e82985fb699199806e60ae489b472e/Downloads/2015%20Combined%20Accounts%20(1)_Redacted.pdf

My point highlands is that it is not as widespread as some would have you believe, most people agree it is no longer acceptable and the loudest shouters of it is widespread when it is not, gets millions and millions of pounds in donations for something that is not quite as they portray it.

The two things are different, if they break the law then they must face the consequences, this is different than someone telling you the bogie man is everywhere when it isn't

 

[tintin40]

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https://www.animalaid.org.uk/sainsburys ... -pressure/

little victory.

 

[tintin40]

One day we will stop killing animals for fun. And move in the 21st century.