Dave Lloyd 753
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i had the fortunate chance to ride a cats wiskas bitd, fitted with the first hope mechanical disc brakes. it had the similar paint as yours but with p2,s. it felt so lively and agile, and the brakes were unreal!!!!!! (compared to my old cantis) may do some digging and see if i can find out whos got it locally. i may even have the video somewhere( it was used to complete a mates PE exam project thingy)
love these old handmade bikes!!!!!
love these old handmade bikes!!!!!
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I guess this was a gripe of many with magazine reviews bitd.
I think the truth of the matter with your own C.A.T.S is none will ride similarly due to the way choices made in the build specs, for example the fork options and frame sizes will leave massive differences in how they ride, even the most subtle of changes like seatpost height and stem length would make each bike feel like a totally different bike. Comparing rigid to suspension will also contribute too.
For me, the only true way (as you say) is to have all three in the same frame size/age, with near as dam it a similar spec, or at least a similar performance of spec, so each fork having the same travel, the same stem length and height etc, gear train/component choices I think can be overlooked to a degree as this can be judged on there own merits and flaws without compromising the overview of the frame build and characteristics.
By the time these frames became available, geometry had largely settled down, each builder had there own thoughts on how to best use different brands of tubing in different parts of the bike, to give the best results for weight/strength and ride feel.
all three frame builders specifically mixed Columbus and Reynolds on these models, it would be real nice to finally have a relatively unbiased opinion of each build, and not necessarily to confirm or deny which one is better, but how they do differ.
NeilM":patug8ca said:
I guess this was a gripe of many with magazine reviews bitd.
I think the truth of the matter with your own C.A.T.S is none will ride similarly due to the way choices made in the build specs, for example the fork options and frame sizes will leave massive differences in how they ride, even the most subtle of changes like seatpost height and stem length would make each bike feel like a totally different bike. Comparing rigid to suspension will also contribute too.
For me, the only true way (as you say) is to have all three in the same frame size/age, with near as dam it a similar spec, or at least a similar performance of spec, so each fork having the same travel, the same stem length and height etc, gear train/component choices I think can be overlooked to a degree as this can be judged on there own merits and flaws without compromising the overview of the frame build and characteristics.
By the time these frames became available, geometry had largely settled down, each builder had there own thoughts on how to best use different brands of tubing in different parts of the bike, to give the best results for weight/strength and ride feel.
all three frame builders specifically mixed Columbus and Reynolds on these models, it would be real nice to finally have a relatively unbiased opinion of each build, and not necessarily to confirm or deny which one is better, but how they do differ.
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I agree with every word.
From my own experience I can say that in VERY general terms the Cats and the DONKIS (mine was not strictly speaking a DONKIS, but same tube and same dimensions with different fittings) both offer a lively ride, all the Cats I have ridden have a sort of go go go feel to them and ride better the faster you go. The Yates is just a point it anywhere, go anywhere, bundle of fun kind of ride, with a very slightly nutty side to it.
The DOGS is a different matter and is my 'go to guy' whenever I am riding unfamiliar trails, hence two Mayhems; 2013 (night laps only) and 2014 (day and night laps), HONC 2014 (50k) and MADORC 2014 (60k). When I need to be concentrating on where I'm going and not what the bike is doing and whether it'll dump me on the floor, then it's the DOGS that gets pulled out of the rack every time.
sinnerman":3bm0wd84 said:
I agree with every word.
From my own experience I can say that in VERY general terms the Cats and the DONKIS (mine was not strictly speaking a DONKIS, but same tube and same dimensions with different fittings) both offer a lively ride, all the Cats I have ridden have a sort of go go go feel to them and ride better the faster you go. The Yates is just a point it anywhere, go anywhere, bundle of fun kind of ride, with a very slightly nutty side to it.
The DOGS is a different matter and is my 'go to guy' whenever I am riding unfamiliar trails, hence two Mayhems; 2013 (night laps only) and 2014 (day and night laps), HONC 2014 (50k) and MADORC 2014 (60k). When I need to be concentrating on where I'm going and not what the bike is doing and whether it'll dump me on the floor, then it's the DOGS that gets pulled out of the rack every time.
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I would love to know a little more if im honest, whilst all three frame builders did mix Columbus MAX and Reynolds 753 Chas Roberts did take it a margin further by having the Two piece Horse shoe rear wishbone, which took this mix tubing theory a step further in an attempt to consider brake flex etc, whilst Dave yates would also machine the head tube (after prototype) Roberts was also doing the same with B/B and internally with seat tubes too. With Lloyd being one of the first to add things like rear disc mounts.
For the X-Lite barends, if you struggle to get NOS in pink, get silver and can I suggest Rampage for a re anodise....? (topman by the way).
I would love to know a little more if im honest, whilst all three frame builders did mix Columbus MAX and Reynolds 753 Chas Roberts did take it a margin further by having the Two piece Horse shoe rear wishbone, which took this mix tubing theory a step further in an attempt to consider brake flex etc, whilst Dave yates would also machine the head tube (after prototype) Roberts was also doing the same with B/B and internally with seat tubes too. With Lloyd being one of the first to add things like rear disc mounts.
For the X-Lite barends, if you struggle to get NOS in pink, get silver and can I suggest Rampage for a re anodise....? (topman by the way).
