Capital punishment

[Alison]

Even in cases of zero doubt that they accused has committed the offence?

The thing is you cannot have a law for one set of people and one for another, these people may have been witnessed and proud of their actions and it may seem a logical conclusion to put them to death, but there would be many families of victims who feel it is a zero doubt case and feel they've been, to put it crudely, done out of their victims justice if the murderer is not put to death.

I also don't believe in eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, I have brought my children up to not retaliate however strongly they feel they want to, as it just brings them down to the same level as their aggressor even if that's just their sibling. I think we should be better than to ask for equal revenge for acts committed to us.

Alison

 

[hamster]

Name three countries with the death penalty and high standards of justice...

If the death penalty works, why is our murder rate only 20% of the USA's?

 

[DrJo]

Just wondered, what was the original horror or atrocity that got this thread started.

 

[dan smith]

Even in cases of zero doubt that they accused has committed the offence?

The thing is you cannot have a law for one set of people and one for another, these people may have been witnessed and proud of their actions and it may seem a logical conclusion to put them to death, but there would be many families of victims who feel it is a zero doubt case and feel they've been, to put it crudely, done out of their victims justice if the murderer is not put to death.

Alison

Would they not feel this way if the accused is sentenced to spend their life in prison at the cost of the tax payer?

I see you point that the victims of crime will largely want the strongest sentence. However they are not in control of sentencing.

My thoughts on the topic are not motivated by revenge. I just cannot understand why we would opt to imprison someone guilty of committing such an act when there is no chance of release. It seems like a pointless exercise.

 

[Alison]

Even in cases of zero doubt that they accused has committed the offence?

The thing is you cannot have a law for one set of people and one for another, these people may have been witnessed and proud of their actions and it may seem a logical conclusion to put them to death, but there would be many families of victims who feel it is a zero doubt case and feel they've been, to put it crudely, done out of their victims justice if the murderer is not put to death.

Alison

Would they not feel this way if the accused is sentenced to spend their life in prison at the cost of the tax payer?

I see you point that the victims of crime will largely want the strongest sentence. However they are not in control of sentencing.

My thoughts on the topic are not motivated by revenge. I just cannot understand why we would opt to imprison someone guilty of committing such an act when there is no chance of release. It seems like a pointless exercise.

I can understand where your coming from, but I could never condone execution of anybody whatever their crime, we pay our taxes and I would rather pay extra to have someone spend life in prison than less to pay for an executioner, as I don't believe in killing anyone ever, I don't think that anyone has the right to take life, and I'm not even religious.

Alison

 

[dan smith]

I largely agree but a part of me cannot resolve the pointlessness of imprisonment without the option of release.

 

[saulus]

We can't remove these people from the face of the earth like they chose to do to their victim and we never will be able to make any real changes to our justice system, thanks to the ECHR. They have to rot in a institution that is far too comfortable and pleasant, again thanks to the ECHR, doing time at our expense.

There are some who will never be safe to be returned to society because they are basically bad.

 

[Alison]

So many people, whether they be common thieves or murderers, try all they can to appeal against their sentence, sometimes years after imprisonment, it can't be that comfortable and pleasant or they'd be people committing horrible offences just to get the bed and breakfast on offer, sorry to be so flippant. To be honest I'd prefer a lifetime of unpleasantness on the outside and have my freedom than a lifetime on the inside however cushy it seems to people in general.

Alison

 

[saulus]

So many people, whether they be common thieves or murderers, try all they can to appeal against their sentence, sometimes years after imprisonment, it can't be that comfortable and pleasant or they'd be people committing horrible offences just to get the bed and breakfast on offer, sorry to be so flippant. To be honest I'd prefer a lifetime of unpleasantness on the outside and have my freedom than a lifetime on the inside however cushy it seems to people in general.

Alison

Yes & I think it should be made a whole lot more unappealing too. 'Dickensian work house' springs to mind :twisted:

 

[Alison]

So many people, whether they be common thieves or murderers, try all they can to appeal against their sentence, sometimes years after imprisonment, it can't be that comfortable and pleasant or they'd be people committing horrible offences just to get the bed and breakfast on offer, sorry to be so flippant. To be honest I'd prefer a lifetime of unpleasantness on the outside and have my freedom than a lifetime on the inside however cushy it seems to people in general.

Alison

Yes & I think it should be made a whole lot more unappealing too. 'Dickensian work house' springs to mind :twisted:

Absolutely, the more hell the better I say

Alison